Armstrong charged and banned

[ufkacbln]

WADA writes and compiles the international standards for testing, and lists banned substances

The national programmes such as USADA agree to abide by these

So technically any action by the USADA that is not carried out to WADA standards could be challenged

 

[Chuffy]

New info - UCI tried to take over the investigation, after McQuaid said they had nothing to do with it and USADA had jurisdiction.
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...ol-of-ArmstrongUSPS-doping-investigation.aspx
You have to love the quote from Tygart at the end. UCI are very definitely in the poo over this...

“The USPS Doping Conspiracy was going on under the watch of UCI, so of course UCI and the participants in the conspiracy who cheated sport with dangerous performance enhancing drugs to win have a strong incentive to cover up what transpired,”

 

[Chuffy]

Oh! And there's this...http://www.bouldercriminallawadviso...why-strict-compliance-with-local-is-critical/

 

[Flying_Monkey]

McQuaid almost sounds like he's part of Armstrong's defence team rather than someone representing cycling. Oh, and he's entirely wrong.

 

[86TDFWinner]

interview with McQuaid
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mcquaid-disavows-uci-responsibility-in-armstrong-case

Cyclingnews: Because I'm with Cyclingnews and it's my job to be a downer, I would like you to comment on an article in the New York Daily News (by Nathaniel Vinton), who wrote, "If USADA’s case against Armstrong is valid, then professional cycling has been the victim of breathtaking corruption", bigger than any other sport. If USADA can prove its case, how does that impact the UCI, cycling in the Olympics - if a sport is going to get voted out of the Games in Rio...
Pat McQuaid: First of all, I have said and the UCI said they won't comment on the Armstrong case until it's over.
Secondly, to give you a brief comment on what you just said, it's not going to have any effect on cycling. If guys are beating the system, they're beating WADA's system, they're beating the controls. The UCI can't do anything about that. We don't control the laboratories and what they can and cannot test for, it's WADA that controls all that. If there are cyclists beating controls, then there are athletes from other sports beating the controls. We saw that with Marion Jones and Tim Montgomery. You can't therefore blame that on the UCI or on the sport of cycling.

But, lemme point out that IIRC, the UCI was in bed with Armstrong, and there are more than just rumors of them taking bribes from Pharmstrong, to make sure any/all "positive tests" go away. They(UCI) would have ALOT to lose if it's found out they were in bed with Lancey poo, any and ALL credibility by them would be lost.

Bottom Line: Pharmstrong's a shady dude/conman/scam artist, with an arrogance about him that portrays guilt, and he knows he's guilty, he will stop @ NOTHING to make himself look like a saint. He's one of the biggest frauds/phoney's in the world. I will laugh when he finally admits to what we've all known for years: he's a cheater, and he cheated. Everyone else BUT him cheated? right......everyone else BUT him, when it came time for his teammates to cheat, he said "no, Im an honest guy and thats wrong"? BS, he cheated along with the rest of them. I dont "get" why folks still take falls for him, or just wont rat him out.

I think the guy's a conman, and fraud. Of course this is just MY opinion

 

[lukesdad]

But, lemme point out that IIRC, the UCI was in bed with Armstrong, and there are more than just rumors of them taking bribes from Pharmstrong, to make sure any/all "positive tests" go away. They(UCI) would have ALOT to lose if it's found out they were in bed with Lancey poo, any and ALL credibility by them would be lost.

Bottom Line: Pharmstrong's a shady dude/conman/scam artist, with an arrogance about him that portrays guilt, and he knows he's guilty, he will stop @ NOTHING to make himself look like a saint. He's one of the biggest frauds/phoney's in the world. I will laugh when he finally admits to what we've all known for years: he's a cheater, and he cheated. Everyone else BUT him cheated? right......everyone else BUT him, when it came time for his teammates to cheat, he said "no, Im an honest guy and thats wrong"? BS, he cheated along with the rest of them. I dont "get" why folks still take falls for him, or just wont rat him out.

I think the guy's a conman, and fraud. Of course this is just MY opinion

Stop sitting on the fence and tell us what you really think

 

[rich p]

But, lemme point out that IIRC, the UCI was in bed with Armstrong, and there are more than just rumors of them taking bribes from Pharmstrong, to make sure any/all "positive tests" go away. They(UCI) would have ALOT to lose if it's found out they were in bed with Lancey poo, any and ALL credibility by them would be lost.

Bottom Line: Pharmstrong's a shady dude/conman/scam artist, with an arrogance about him that portrays guilt, and he knows he's guilty, he will stop @ NOTHING to make himself look like a saint. He's one of the biggest frauds/phoney's in the world. I will laugh when he finally admits to what we've all known for years: he's a cheater, and he cheated. Everyone else BUT him cheated? right......everyone else BUT him, when it came time for his teammates to cheat, he said "no, Im an honest guy and thats wrong"? BS, he cheated along with the rest of them. I dont "get" why folks still take falls for him, or just wont rat him out.

I think the guy's a conman, and fraud. Of course this is just MY opinion

You have read the thread?

 

[rich p]

Just the back cover in WH Smith's. I was undecided is it a good read?

It's how I passed my 'o'-level Eng. Lit. Adrian, but we're all grown-ups now, right?

 

[Flying_Monkey]

WADA confirms UCI is wrong. Why are McQuaid and the leadership of the UCI so intent on making themselves look stupid? Is there really more to come out that will damage the UCI?

 

[asterix]

This will drag on a few more years yet and then probably nothing come of it, just like the other attempts. If you believed he doped or not, it really is a circus now. They need to definitively ban and strip him of his title or leave it alone forever. I think everyone is sick and tired of this now.
..

..and 49 pages later..

 

[rich p]

WADA confirms UCI is wrong. Why are McQuaid and the leadership of the UCI so intent on making themselves look stupid? Is there really more to come out that will damage the UCI?

Old habits die hard.

 

[albion]

The most difficult thing about the UCI is that it is based in Switzerland.

This is where in my opinion most of the worlds dodgy money lands and actually helps breed corruption.

 

[yello]

Back now from a bit of cycle touring that included a few days at the Semaine Federale - have I missed anything?

Yes, I've had a bit of catching up to do - there's been a fair amount of activity at the federal court, documents submitted etc etc. Got to say, I'm really impressed with USADA's legal eagles. On the ball, to the point and playing the game. They're obviously confident.

There's been some beautiful slap downs too, notably at UCI and their farcical claim for jurisdiction (only a few days after saying 'nought to do with us' too! Hmmmm,.... I wonder why the about face )

Anyways, latest appears to be that USADA have offered to go straight to CAS if everyone's in agreement.

Accordingly, USADA proposes that it is willing to agree to a single, final and binding CAS hearing with Mr. Armstrong under U.S. law and the USADA Protocol and held in the U.S. but with international CAS arbitrators in which the issues would be whether Mr. Armstrong committed anti-doping rule violations and, if so, the appropriate sanctions. If the parties are truly interested in an efficient, fair and just result based on the evidence, as USADA is, then this proposal would immediately place the case in the hands of neutral CAS arbitrators who could quickly decide it.

(My bold)

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/usada-responds-on-uci-jurisdiction-landis-evidence

Got to hand it to USADA, they're playing a blinder!

Re the decision of Pepe Marti to now go to arbitration....

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/martis-lifetime-ban-suspended-by-usada

At this stage, I don't know how to read it other than as simple fact. If it were to be a open hearing, then it might have implications what with the evidence becoming common knowledge. Several theories around as to why Pepe's changed his mind but none that I'd entertain at this point.

 

[yello]

Oh, and tomorrow's the day that Judge Sparks will issue his judgement on Armstrong's claim. I'm anticipating 'case dismissed'. I think the USADA process will continue. It'll be an interesting few days as the 13th is the deadline that Armstrong has for advising USADA of his intentions.There'll be more twists and turns yet though I reckon. This is great theatre!

 

[Chuffy]

Armstrongs's legal team and UCI seem to be offering themselves up on a daily basis for a fresh kicking. Can they really be that stupid or incompetent? It doesn't even seem to be successful as a tactic for stringing things out and forcing USADA to a) reveal evidence and b) spend extra money.

Everything they are doing smacks of absolute desperation.