It may well be the journo in the article I linked to. It did donate to research but changed it's priorities in 2009'ish, saying that what they could provide was a drop in the ocean compared to other cancer charity research donations.
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It may well be the journo in the article I linked to. It did donate to research but changed it's priorities in 2009'ish, saying that what they could provide was a drop in the ocean compared to other cancer charity research donations.
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I don't know anything about Livestrong, so I don't feel qualified to offer any opinion.
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I assume you don't know anything personally about him either, but you seem to have found him guilty of drug taking. But it doesn't stop you offering an opinion on that!
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The difference is that I have followed pro-cycling for a very long time and read extensively about it, the Puerto case etc. and Armstrong. I also teach a bit about the use of surveillance in sport and therefore have done a fair bit of reading on anti-doping and the changes there have been over the years. So I do feel qualified to offer an opinion on that, and direct people to things that they may not have come across in the area. No more than that. If I had delved into Livestrong's finances and history, I might be able to offer an opinion on that too, but I haven't and I can't.
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Fair enough. I don't doubt your knowledge or expertise, nor your passion towards pro cycling. But I feel strongly, that UNTIL the facts are known, then it is just speculation and rumour.
Facts are facts, and one day, one way or the other, the facts WILL come out. Then we'll know for sure, and we can accept it, whichever way the judgement falls, whether we like it or not.
Facts are facts, and one day, one way or the other, the facts WILL come out. Then we'll know for sure, and we can accept it, whichever way the judgement falls, whether we like it or not.
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The difference is that I think we already know enough to say that on the balance of probabilities that Armstrong doped. And I don't think we'll ever know all the facts: too many trails have already been covered up. If he's found by USADA to have been involved in doping, we all know that this is the tip of the iceberg, however much of the iceberg we actually ever get to see before it melts into the ocean.
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We'll just have to agree to differ on this.
But I do look forward to the development of this allegation and the resulting investigation.
But I do look forward to the development of this allegation and the resulting investigation.
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Now you see I find that weird, I'd like it all done and dusted and things to move on.
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That could take a while. I get the impression it's just beginning.
Oddly, I get the feeling that this could be done and dusted in a matter of months, certainly before the new year. Any fallout would rumble on for years tough.
USADA have said (as I recall) that they aim for a hearing before November. My gut feel is that Armstrong wont contest - because he'd probably have to testify - so the hearing wouldn't be drawn out. I reckon it could be a pretty interesting period until then though, with more allegations and/or evidence to appear.
USADA have said (as I recall) that they aim for a hearing before November. My gut feel is that Armstrong wont contest - because he'd probably have to testify - so the hearing wouldn't be drawn out. I reckon it could be a pretty interesting period until then though, with more allegations and/or evidence to appear.
Millar is now on the shortlist, are you sure Brailsford is trying to prevent him riding?
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http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/346046/tour-de-france-1999-2008.html Written in 2008 - Wouldn't look too good stripping out LA, but you could also argue that the crosed out ones 99 - 2005 is a little damning to LA, if he was clean his miracle storyline would be incredible..
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cyclists were 'enhancing' performance long before the sport went pro.
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