You're obviously younger than I thought so I'll cut you some slack.
Armstrong charged and banned
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Don't you want to see what USADA have?
I thought that everyone on here would want to, whichever side of the fence they are on.
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Just thought I would look in to see how this discussion has developed to 107 pages.
Armstrong has been charged and is now well and truly BANNED.
I see cunobeline is still wittering on and on about it.
That name is of a King of the Britons in the time of the Romans I believe, so he has a very high opinion of himself, but we already know that.
I suggest we leave him to it as he seems fixated by it
Armstrong has been charged and is now well and truly BANNED.
I see cunobeline is still wittering on and on about it.
That name is of a King of the Britons in the time of the Romans I believe, so he has a very high opinion of himself, but we already know that.
I suggest we leave him to it as he seems fixated by it
I was making the point that Red Light seems to insist on giving Armstrong the benefit of the doubt whilst not being quite so generous in other directions.
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Without starting a huge war, I keep seeing news articles saying he's been stripped of his Tour titles, however I've also seen it written that only the UCI can do this and they were digging their heels in largely in stubbornness at being told what to do by USADA. So has he been stripped of the titles or not?
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This is one of the unmentionables.... He has not been striped of any titles.
So at the risk of "wittering on" , the facts are as follows:
Tygart of the USADA is now on record as having said they would have only sought the removal of two titles had Armstrong cooperated. The decision to remove all 7 was because he failed to do so.
The argument by the Armstrong team is that they have no right to do so, and this seems to be borne out by UCI statements. They are awaiting evidence before making a decision. At the moment Armstrong does hold the 7 titles, and they have not been revoked.
So basically the claims by the USADA are simply untrue, but questioning the USADA or their actions is also an anathema - despite the fact they look disorganise, and unaware of their limitations, you are not allowed to point this out or it is apologist, pro Armstrong and very very silly!
Rumours of positive tests circulating
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report-usada-in-possession-of-positive-armstrong-samples
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report-usada-in-possession-of-positive-armstrong-samples
Let's get this straight....... questioning the USADA is appropriate and is NOT apologist or pro-Armstrong.
Positive blood samples would be an excellent and unequivocal end to the saga, but not if as appears to be the case they are performed in such a way that they would breach the WADA rules and hence technically inadmissible?
The WADA / USADA protocol states that an athlete has the right to be present at the testing of a B sample. Again (if Tygarts"s statement is true) they have breached their own rules.
This is a copy from the WADC
[Comment to Article 2.1.2: The Anti-Doping Organization with results management responsibility may in
its discretion choose to have the B Sample analyzed even if the Athlete does not request the analysis of the B Sample.]
It would appear that USADA is within it's rights to test the B sample without Armstrongs authority. ( I think the UCI have conceded results management to USADA in this case now.)
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Are you one of LA's attorneys who did all the work but didn't get the gig ?
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spoilsport ;-)
If I recall, that is a recent'ish change, don't know when without looking but it points to a later test, we must wait and see.
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