Armstrong charged and banned

[raindog]

I'm not crazy about Kimmage, but this is spot on.....

"Paul Kimmage welcomed the news, but expressed his regret that the weight of evidence built up by USADA might not get the kind of public airing it warrants. "The only disappointment in it is that we don’t know the degree to which the governing body was complicit in this and the same people that facilitated this are still in charge of the UCI now," Kimmage said. "That would lend me to be pessimistic. Who’s to say it can’t happen again with somebody else. That’s the question mark for me in terms of how the sport goes on and what the future is for the sport."

 

[david k]

Why? It was pertinent to the point raised by david k and Tommy Simpson is an English cyclist the site of whose drug induced death is a revered shrine in English cycling and illustrates nicely the contrast in the way we treat drug taking then with drug taking now in cycling.

i dont think it was just the public perception of drugs but also sportsmen and women also

 

[Noodley]

Spot-on from Kimmage.

 

[david k]

i think there was so much drug taking going on its impossible to really who was the highest placed clean rider in any of those tdf's. It would be difficult to sort out now, i would be in favour of just leaving it as it is but without awarding lance as the winner, similar to suggested before

 

[BJH]

So to summarise:
1) You stand by everything you said.
2) You state he used growth hormone, because it was likely that he used it.
3) It might not have been growth hormone, it might have been EPO.
4) But you stand by everything else that you said.

Man your in for one hell of a shock when this finally breaks that LA is a cheat

Don't bother getting all quote back at me I am happy for you to carry on believing in him living a drug free life in Texas with the Easter Bunny and Santa

 

[BJH]

What more can he do? All of the controls that he has done – over 500 since 2000 – have come back negative. Either the controls don’t serve any purpose or Armstrong was legit. The whole case is based on witnesses, it’s deeply unjust.”

What a quote from The greatest cyclist of all time as he sadly embarrasses himself supporting his chum

Another one of those terrible convictions based on testimony from witnesses whatever happened to just accepting his word it seems good enough for many lance fans

 

[david k]

What more can he do? All of the controls that he has done – over 500 since 2000 – have come back negative. Either the controls don’t serve any purpose or Armstrong was legit. The whole case is based on witnesses, it’s deeply unjust.”

What a quote from The greatest cyclist of all time as he sadly embarrasses himself supporting his chum

Another one of those terrible convictions based on witness testimony from witnesses whatever happened to just accepting his word it seems good enough for many lance fans

didnt they say they have bllod test results from when he returned that are irregular?

 

[BJH]

Yes the charges include his comeback period too

 

[MichaelM]

I'm not crazy about Kimmage, but this is spot on.....

"Paul Kimmage welcomed the news, but expressed his regret that the weight of evidence built up by USADA might not get the kind of public airing it warrants. "The only disappointment in it is that we don’t know the degree to which the governing body was complicit in this and the same people that facilitated this are still in charge of the UCI now," Kimmage said. "That would lend me to be pessimistic. Who’s to say it can’t happen again with somebody else. That’s the question mark for me in terms of how the sport goes on and what the future is for the sport."

Kimmage interview:
http://www.98fm.com/2012/category-news-sport/category-sport/paul-kimmage-armstrong-2012-2408/

Starts off with a soundbite from a previous Kimmage/Armstrong confrontation.

 

[fozy tornip]

You still don't get it do you - the whole thing is about armstrong and the governing bodies colluding and covering up the cheating

Read the thread and the links properly

There's unlimited supply
And there is no reason why
I tell you it was all a frame
They only did it 'cos of fame
Who?
UCI
UCI
UCI

And you thought that we were faking
That we were all just money making
You do not believe we're for real
Or you would lose your cheap appeal?

Don't judge a book just by the cover
Unless you cover just another
And blind acceptance is a sign
Of stupid fools who stand in line
Like

UCI
UCI
UCI

 

[steveindenmark]

They could always make it far more entertaining in all sport and just declare that it fine to take whatever you want and let them get on with it. They could have a drug taking tour and a non drug taking tour. We would get to see two tours a year.

So now they are going to take the titles from one cheat and give them to another. With a bit of luck there may be such a long line of convicted dopers down the line that when they get to about 121st it will be a "clean" Brit who ends up winning one of the Armstrong tours.

The whole thing is like a farce.

What needs to be remembered is that some of these guys are making millions out of the sport. Armstrong will still have the houses and bank accounts and will continue to make money because of cycling. If it was a lifetime ban on the first offence these people would not be able to cheat the public and the fans.

Obviously that will not happen in the near future.

A wonderful Olympics for cyclists and now this happens. If they don`t sort their own house out, they will never have any credability.

Steve

 

[Smokin Joe]

They could always make it far more entertaining in all sport and just declare that it fine to take whatever you want and let them get on with it. They could have a drug taking tour and a non drug taking tour. We would get to see two tours a year.

Steve

A five year old could spot so many obvious flaws that in that idea that I'm surprised people still put it forward.

 

[beachcaster]

As frankie boyle says...........it would be much more fun if it was all legalised. I agree it would be great to see the 100yds sprint does in less than 4 seconds..and the hardest mountain climbs attacked at 60 mph.

 

[Boris Bajic]

It'd help me, if you actually gave his name

It was a terribly weak and unfunny attempt to draw a humorous comparison between the way some people view L Armstrong Esq and others (or the same lot) view J Christ Esq.

It fell very flat, as it was neither as funny nor as clever as it seemed to me before I typed it.

The traditional mark of failed humour is having to explain it.

I'll get my shroud.....

 

[DogTired]

A bit tangential...

Can someone who knows the regulations tell me if its an offence not to report witnessed incidences of doping?

Just wondering if the omerta comes from the regulations, plain ol' keep yer trap shut or other pressure.