Armstrong Acolytes...

[Chuffy]

ha ha ha ;-)
It shows you were persuaded

Pull my finger...

 

[ufkacbln]

No confusion at all. Read this from the USADA:

The anti-doping rule violations for which Mr. Armstrong is being sanctioned are:

(1) Use and/or attempted use of prohibited substances and/or methods including EPO, blood transfusions, testosterone, corticosteroids and masking agents.

(2) Possession of prohibited substances and/or methods including EPO, blood transfusions and related equipment (such as needles, blood bags, storage containers and other transfusion equipment and blood parameters measuring devices), testosterone, corticosteroids and masking agents.

(3) Trafficking of EPO, testosterone, and corticosteroids.

(4) Administration and/or attempted administration to others of EPO, testosterone, and cortisone.

(5) Assisting, encouraging, aiding, abetting, covering up and other complicity involving one or more anti-doping rule violations and/or attempted anti-doping rule violations.

These activities are defined as anti-doping rule violations under the USADA Protocol for Olympic and Paralympic Movement Testing, the United States Olympic Committee National Anti-Doping Policies, USA Cycling rules and the International Cycling Union (UCI) Anti-Doping Rules (UCI ADR), all of which have adopted the World Anti-Doping Code (Code) and the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) Prohibited List.

In accordance with the Code, aggravating circumstances including involvement in multiple anti-doping rule violations and participation in a sophisticated doping scheme and conspiracy as well as trafficking, administration and/or attempted administration of a prohibited substance or method, justify a period of ineligibility greater than the standard sanction. Accordingly, Mr. Armstrong has received a lifetime period of ineligibility for his numerous anti-doping rule violations, including his involvement in trafficking and administering doping products to others. A lifetime period of ineligibility as described in the Code prevents Mr. Armstrong from participating in any activity or competition organized by any signatory to the Code or any member of any signatory."

You will soon discover that you were wrong to believe Armstrong's feeble line.

It is not "Armstrong's feeble line" at all, but USADA's feeble line that they have stripped him of the titles.


The question I asked remains unanswered......

At this time the titles have not been removed....... or are you going to categorically say that they have?

 

[mickle]

It is not "Armstrong's feeble line" at all, but USADA's feeble line that they have stripped him of the titles.


The question I asked remains unanswered......

At this time the titles have not been removed....... or are you going to categorically say that they have?

You're shouting.

Try this:

"As a result of Mr. Armstrong’s decision, USADA is required under the applicable rules, including the World Anti-Doping Code under which he is accountable, to disqualify his competitive results and suspend him from all future competition."

From this statement: http://www.usada.org/media/sanction-armstrong8242012

Let me know which bit of "disqualify his competetive results" you don't get.

 

[martint235]

You're shouting.

Try this:

"As a result of Mr. Armstrong’s decision, USADA is required under the applicable rules, including the World Anti-Doping Code under which he is accountable, to disqualify his competitive results and suspend him from all future competition."

From this statement: http://www.usada.org/media/sanction-armstrong8242012

Let me know which bit of "disqualify his competetive results" you don't get.

But the problem is USADA can say that all they like, they don't actually have the authority to do it. As the UCI have pointed out, only they can remove his TdF titles. USADA can remove titles such as American road race champion or Tour of California (if LA won these) but they have no jurisdiction in France.

 

[Andrew_P]

What I do not understand is why people would get any pleasure from thinking or maybe even prompting someone not to want to use their bike or wear a sponsors clothing or a charity wristband or charity clothing?

Lets face it there are probably very few brands that are not tarnished in a similar way.

 

[mickle]

But the problem is USADA can say that all they like, they don't actually have the authority to do it. As the UCI have pointed out, only they can remove his TdF titles. USADA can remove titles such as American road race champion or Tour of California (if LA won these) but they have no jurisdiction in France.

That's what Lancey boy wishes. Unfortunately for him the USADA is a subsidiary of/ acts on behalf of the WADA (W as in World). They do have authority, and in the absence of any real defence against their evidence LA is seriously clutching at straws by suggesting they don't.

 

[Chuffy]

But the problem is USADA can say that all they like, they don't actually have the authority to do it. As the UCI have pointed out, only they can remove his TdF titles. USADA can remove titles such as American road race champion or Tour of California (if LA won these) but they have no jurisdiction in France.

Yes they do. The UCI have to do as USADA recommend, otherwise they are in breach of the WADA Code.

 

[martint235]

Yes they do. The UCI have to do as USADA recommend, otherwise they are in breach of the WADA Code.

But they haven't yet.

This is purely a pedantic argument because there is no doubt that LA should be stripped of the titles but he hasn't yet. WADA seem to have a been fairly quiet and may be letting USADA do their talking but as yet it's up to uci to do the stripping and they haven't

 

[thom]

But they haven't yet.

This is purely a pedantic argument because there is no doubt that LA should be stripped of the titles but he hasn't yet. WADA seem to have a been fairly quiet and may be letting USADA do their talking but as yet it's up to uci to do the stripping and they haven't

WADA I think did indicate they are backing USADA and the UCI, having clarified the jurisdiction with Sparks (or whatever his name was...) have done nothing to suggest they would be in conflict with USADA. Indeed they publicly stated they would not be afraid to strip LA (of his TdF titles).

It is pedantic. Technically USADA cannot unilaterally strip the titles but they have entered into the process to do so and so far no party, including LA (edit: save some esteemed members of this parish), have expressed an iota of opposition to the process.

edit : I think normally the USADA recommended sanction would be accepted (any examples where this is not the case ...?), so you know, it's not looking good for LA.

 

[martint235]

It is pedantic. Technically USADA cannot unilaterally strip the titles but they have entered into the process to do so and so far no party, including LA (edit: save some esteemed members of this parish), have expressed an iota of opposition to the process.

edit : I think normally the USADA recommended sanction would be accepted (any examples where this is not the case ...?), so you know, it's not looking good for LA.

I accept all this and I'm sure it will happen. I think the point that Cunobelin was trying to make, and that I agree with, is that LA is currently a 7 time TdF champion. He might not be next week, but right now he is.

 

[Red Light]

I accept all this and I'm sure it will happen. I think the point that Cunobelin was trying to make, and that I agree with, is that LA is currently a 7 time TdF champion. He might not be next week, but right now he is.

And when he's not the 7 time TdF champion he will be the former 7 time TdeF champion if he takes a leaf out of the book of the former 2004 Olympic Gold Medal winner, Tyler Hamilton.

 

[threebikesmcginty]

And nobbers. Always boycott nobbers.

Trouble is, there's a superfluity of nobbers.

 

[martint235]

And when he's not the 7 time TdF champion he will be the former 7 time TdeF champion if he takes a leaf out of the book of the former 2004 Olympic Gold Medal winner, Tyler Hamilton.

I don't think he should be. I know people will disagree but I think those 7 TdF titles should be just null and void. The history books currently have Schleck as 2010 winner but he didn't win it. The history books should just state no one won - drug abuse.

 

[threebikesmcginty]

If you're unlucky enough to own a Trek you could paint 'Kie' after Trek and pretend you are just a saddo Star Trek geek with no friends and you smell.

 

[rich p]

Why does anyone care? He was a drugs cheat who is getting his just desserts. Whether he gets stripped next week, next year or sometime never is a farking side issue.