Approved legal lights?

[ufkacbln]

The pedal reflectors must also be "visible from the rear"

So if you are on a recumbent or use panniers.....you may also be illegal

 

[jonny jeez]

I'm not trying to defend Crankarm, he is capable of fighting his own corner...but there is a totally valid point here.

Is all this factually required?...I ask as I want to know not argue.

Has someone been told that they were illegal some place that I haven't spotted, were they involved in a collision and found to be negligent. If so, is the BS rating of a light taken into account or is "a light" good enough.

In other words, have poor driving standards increase to cause so many collisions that these people now seek to squirm out of responsibility by quoting this level of minute compliance and would a court of law accept this...really

If so, then the pedal, reflector, lighting, cycle frame, clothing and protection manufacturing industry needs to know about it, as most...by the sound of these comments...of their product is illegal...not to mention headmounted cams

Or is this just an irrelevance.

 

[voyager]

So Where has the enjoyment gone out of cycling

Now we have tangled with the EU half the "British standards are no longer British
So Where do you take your standards from , the UK or from Brussels

I dont think many lights conform to " british standards as no one tests to "British standards " only EU standards

That was my tu penny worth on the subject

I'm off to enjoy my cycling , On my trike and as for the pedal reflectors

The law is an ASS and a lot of it was written by one ( look at the regs that permit 1 brake on a recumbent as the "saddle " height is below the minimum set for the need for 2 brakes ,
...

regards emma

 

[SatNavSaysStraightOn]

You can use your light in flashing mode and be perfectly legal under RVLR, yet if yu put it into a steady mode, teh lack of BS6102/3 designation makes the same light illegal (in that mode)

the article in CTC indicated that this is not the case (I am only going by what I read here)... if your light is capable of emitting a steady light, then the flashing light regulations did not appear to apply to it even if you only had it in flashing mode. to be legal it would have to conform to BC6012/3... The flashing light regs seem to only apply if your light can not emit a steady light.

Also the bit about the built in rear reflector - and again I am only going on what I read and how I read it, implied that BS6012/2 was for the reflector part only of the light and if it was BS6012/3 the whole light has passed the standard.... (I didn't quote that bit of your reply)

From what I read, it basically seemed that the only way of being legal was to have front and rear dynamo lights, and pedal reflectors. Dynamo because they (more often than not) meet the German specs and that is acceptable in this country under the EU regs - there was a phrase for this which I can't recall after my morning bike ride, but I can find the article later today or tomorrow and add it in...

 

[voyager]

Dynamo lights are only legal when the bike is moving unless you stop by the kerbside OR have a battery backup

another loophole I'm afraid

regards emma

 

[SatNavSaysStraightOn]

Dynamo lights are only legal when the bike is moving unless you stop by the kerbside OR have a battery backup

another loophole I'm afraid

regards emma

most dynamo lights now have battery caches to keep them running for 5-15mins and the germans have just relaxed their laws on them as well which helps (so I have read...shame the article is not available online yet it was an interesting read!).

 

[IncoherentJeff]

I was just referencing the law & saying I prefer to ride within the legislation as much as I can.

My girlfriend has had 2 incidents over the years in her car which were definitely not her fault yet the other party/legal advisors shirked all responsibility and tried to pass the blame. I don't fancy giving these people any ammunition to use in a legal battle.

 

[Sore Thumb]

I was just referencing the law & saying I prefer to ride within the legislation as much as I can.

My girlfriend has had 2 incidents over the years in her car which were definitely not her fault yet the other party/legal advisors shirked all responsibility and tried to pass the blame. I don't fancy giving these people any ammunition to use in a legal battle.

I was involved in a collision where the other party refused to accept any responsibility. There were no witnesses to the accident. I eventually got a pay out over a year later.

He even had the cheek to say I had no lights. It was during the day so legally I did not need them. Even though I had a exposure diablo on the bars and an exposure joystick on my helmet.
So even with these turned on during the day he did not see me.

I was never asked about the legality of the lights even though the other party tried to get out of it.

What would have saved all of this stress was not the legality of lights but having a camera on my head.

If you want to fight your case with less hastle then it's nit he legality of lights you need to be concerned about, it's how many cameras do I have and do they record on HD. You need good evidence to fight against the cyclist hatred these days.

 

[IncoherentJeff]

I was involved in a collision where the other party refused to accept any responsibility. There were no witnesses to the accident. I eventually got a pay out over a year later.

He even had the cheek to say I had no lights. It was during the day so legally I did not need them. Even though I had a exposure diablo on the bars and an exposure joystick on my helmet.
So even with these turned on during the day he did not see me.

I was never asked about the legality of the lights even though the other party tried to get out of it.

What would have saved all of this stress was not the legality of lights but having a camera on my head.

If you want to fight your case with less hastle then it's nit he legality of lights you need to be concerned about, it's how many cameras do I have and do they record on HD. You need good evidence to fight against the cyclist hatred these days.

Yep I'm looking to get a camera I can swop between my bicycle & motorbike for that very reason!

In one of the incidents my girlfriends car was t-boned by a taxi in Milton Keynes who didn't stop at a junction. His immediate response was to say she didn't have her headlamps on! Wasn't until we got the CCTV from a nearby carpark that his tall tale started to fall apart, it didn't film the crash but showed her driving with lights on moments before the crash. Still took an absolute age to sort out.
As I said I don't want to give anyone's lawyers any potential ammunition, incase one of them had boned up on what makes a bicycle road legal. Some people try anything to weasel their way out of responsibility.

 

[Smurfy]

Anyone got a link to one please?. It's frustrating to read about shyster lawyers getting payments reduced on technicalities.
So I'm going all legal, which is proving to be more difficult than I thought it would.

I'm even wearing a helmet! Just because of the term contributory negligence or whatever the lawyer shite term is.

If I'm hurt or dead I wantsa get paid.

I think the Cateye TL-AU100BS conforms, as does the Cateye HL-500 BS

The bad news is that the HL-500 BS contains a filament rather than LEDs

 

[CopperBrompton]

THe was knocked off his bike while commuting a couple of years ago and suffered a shattered elbow which has only recently stopped hurting, and now has a permanent lump on it.

He also had a serious injury another time (not traffic-related) when the carbon fibre forks on his bike snapped!

Sorry to hear about these incidents. Were BS-marked on unmarked lights an issue in either case? If not, I'm still bemused by focusing on such an obscure and irrelevant issue.

 

[Smurfy]

PS. Don't forget pedal reflectors, unless you can prove your bike pre-dates requirements

 

[ufkacbln]

I think the Cateye TL-AU100BS conforms, as does the Cateye HL-500 BS

The bad news is that the HL-500 BS contains a filament rather than LEDs

Nope

The AU 100 BS has a BS 6102/3 reflector, the BS dies not include the light

 

[subaqua]

being the smug git I can be I have dynamo lights that contain a "standlight" plus solid and flashing front mounted to the off side of the bars, and a rear light that is solid on seat post and when i wear my altura night vision( only as it is a great weatherproof jacket) i use the flashy LEd on that. pedals have reflectors too ( spd one side flat on others it works for when in town in normal shoes) no way any body can say they didn't see me.

 

[Smurfy]

Nope

The AU 100 BS has a BS 6102/3 reflector, the BS dies not include the light

Nope

I've got one, and printed on the packaging:

When used in constant flashing mode this light complies with the Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 2005 No. 2559. When used in constant mode, this light complies with British Standard 6102/3.