Accie's fake Rolex.

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Accy cyclist

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"Hey Accy! Your neighbour should've come to me if she wanted a counterfeit time piece!! I don't like the way those mother f@@k@@s have taken her for a ride! With your permission, I'd like to send my main man @Drago round to their hood with some of the boys to kick some ass"!!
 
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Reynard

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HMS_Dave said:
I'll quote you on it and tell you that it is correct. I've brought a number of miyota movements for sekonda watches. The cheapest are basically obtainable for a couple of quid, for the entire movement. It really isn't worth replacing parts for.
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Nice to know the old grey matter is still working... :biggrin:

Yeah, a lot of stuff at that end of the price ladder isn't designed to be serviced, same as the mechanical Timexes back in the day. They're essentially disposable.

Although what *I* don't get is why anyone would buy a Moonswatch. Around 300-ish notes for a colourful plastic Speedy look-a-likey, and if it goes *fzzzzzt* into the bin it goes... :scratch: OK, they are attractive in a weird sort of way, but they seem to be a watchy version of all mouth and no trousers.
 
Bollo

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Reynard said:
Nice to know the old grey matter is still working... :biggrin:

Yeah, a lot of stuff at that end of the price ladder isn't designed to be serviced, same as the mechanical Timexes back in the day. They're essentially disposable.

Although what *I* don't get is why anyone would buy a Moonswatch. Around 300-ish notes for a colourful plastic Speedy look-a-likey, and if it goes *fzzzzzt* into the bin it goes... :scratch: OK, they are attractive in a weird sort of way, but they seem to be a watchy version of all mouth and no trousers.
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(I want a moonswatch)
 
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Accy cyclist

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vickster said:
Similar process I believe if a VISA. She should be able to find the info on her bank‘s website
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I asked in my bank today about 'Chargeback'. They gave me a number to phone which I've passed onto my neighbour. They also mentioned a scheme called Resolver. My bank said she has a fair chance of getting her money back, but she (neighbour) had a glass half empty moment, saying "I wouldn't be surprised if the seller has/had false bank accounts". I know what she means, but surely they aren't that clever are they and if they were so clever, would it be possible? 🤔
 
Accy cyclist

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SpokeyDokey said:
I presume that is another genuine Rolex. :laugh:
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I just think/fear every watch could be a fake now after seeing and feeling that 237 quid 'Rolex'! :unsure:

This is the 'genuine Rolex' supposedly cloned by that horrendous object. https://prestige-watches.co.uk/coll...mm-two-tone-brand-new-full-set/?utm_source=go
If I bought this watch It'd forever be at the back of my mind that it could be a fake. 🤔

I told my goldsmith, watch and jewelry repair friend yesterday about my neighbour's experience. He showed me a shiny stainless steel fake Rolex, left unclaimed by a customer months ago. He said it was one of the best fakes he'd seen. He also said that if the owner doesn't claim it within a year of leaving it, I can have it for 30 quid.:rolleyes:
 
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Regular.Cyclist

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When spending a fair amount of money on an item where fakes do exist one of the most important things is to ‘buy the seller’. The company name in this case, Prestige Watches, uses a common name used by several other sellers. This make detailed searches more difficult. The company behind this instance, Bustamante & Co Ltd, was dormant for a while and, last year, filed a lot of paperwork including changing the person named as having significant control.

I’m not saying that watch is a fake; it is being portrayed as genuine, but, personally, it’s not a company I would spend £14k with to buy a watch. There are others out there being sold by companies with much greater, and more transparent, provenance.

I also don’t like their style of photography. The heavy vignette is off putting.
 
Hover Fly

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Reynard said:
This is why I keep saying to do your homework. It's as much about heritage and history as it is about the actual end product. Which is why you don't seem to know that Sekonda was an umbrella brand name used to sell Russian watches (mainly Chaika and Luch) on the UK market from the 70s through to the early 90s.

When the Soviet Union collapsed in late December of 1991, they switched to sourcing from Japan. I believe that Sekonda now uses Miyota internals, but don't quote me on it. They're effectively the Skoda or Dacia of watches - no frills, reliable and at an affordable price point for someone who just wants a watch to do the job without having to drop a wad of cash.

Soviet-made Sekondas tended to be a bit pot luck at times (they had to meet government targets after all), so you could get a good one, or, if someone on the assembly line was having a bad day, you could get a bit of a botch job. That said, Russian watches do have a bit of a cult following, especially the Vostoks and Raketas.

Edited to add - cos I just remembered it - that Russian watches (largely) aren't copies or knock-offs. Their factories bought out all the unneeded tooling lock, stock and barrel when Swiss companies (and some French too, I believe) upgraded / changed the range of movements they made. So the movements were decent, but borderline obsolete and sometimes poorly finished. Although they did come up with a few weird variations of their own.
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I have a few USSR era Sekondas, a couple of pocket watches from Molnija, Chelyabinsk, a chronograph, and a military-issue (Poljot?) all keep excellent time, the pocket watches especially so, gaining on average about 20 seconds a week, these are manually wound, the only fault is the balance staffs are a bit fragile. I also have a MOD issue Rolex I bought cheap when they changed over to CWC, (I call it “the pension”) the Poljots are easily equal to it in reliability. The all round best spring driven, however, must be the Seikos, especially a Japanese Railway issue one that just keeps going and keeping time to, well, Japanese Railway standards.
 
Reynard

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Hover Fly said:
I have a few USSR era Sekondas, a couple of pocket watches from Molnija, Chelyabinsk, a chronograph, and a military-issue (Poljot?) all keep excellent time, the pocket watches especially so, gaining on average about 20 seconds a week, these are manually wound, the only fault is the balance staffs are a bit fragile. I also have a MOD issue Rolex I bought cheap when they changed over to CWC, (I call it “the pension”) the Poljots are easily equal to it in reliability. The all round best spring driven, however, must be the Seikos, especially a Japanese Railway issue one that just keeps going and keeping time to, well, Japanese Railway standards.
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Have to say, my two mechanical Seikos (2206 auto & 1104 hand winder) are probably the best time keepers of my little selection.
 
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