A57 Snake Pass Closure February and March 2022

[nickyboy]

So I went to the Snake, Glossop side this morning on my bike. I knew the following:

1) Cyclists are being turned around at Glossop and Ladybower reservoirs, effectively closing a 9 mile stretch of the Snake
2) The Temporary Traffic Restraining Order actually only covers the 200m landslip stretch

Got stopped by the personnel at the Glossop side and was told the Snake Road was closed. I explained all I wanted to do was ride to the top, turn around and then ride back down. Told it was closed. I explained that it wasn't closed, the 200m stretch was closed but the other 9 miles or so are not closed. I was told "do what you like, I can't stop you". I didn't want to be confrontational so I turned around and cycled elsewhere

The simple answer to this predicament is as follows:

The personnel at Glossop and Ladybower stop everyone and tell them that they can travel as far as the landslip section but that section is 100% impassable. So they either out and back, or sack it off and cycle elsewhere. The issue for HPBC is that cyclists, being cyclists, some will try to sneak through the officially closed section

 

[matticus]

Who's in??

View: https://twitter.com/matthewvennard/status/1501494683863859201?t=nC2OqG_xU_bULiYKLpqSAw&s=19

 

[straas]

Mass trespass being touted on twitter this Saturday at 2pm from the glossop side.

 

[I like Skol]

Remember when the covid lockdowns started? Tell people they can't do something, then suddenly every man and his dog insists it is their right to do exactly that and then does so regardless of any original intention or desire to do so, just to prove a point! Quite pathetic really.

EDIT: It's only going to be closed for a few more weeks while repairs are carried out, it's not like this is gone for good. Let's just put things into perspective for a moment before people get all righteous and indignant about it. And don't forget, the weather should be much nicer when it re-opens.....

 

[Jody]

You'll have to ask that nobber @Yukon Boy to explain it. He's the one who slapped in a name change and avatar swap about 2 minutes after I put up my festive Christmas avatar.

You should switch to the opposition and be Flash or Brian Blessed

 

[fossyant]

Given the prevailing winds at the moment, I'd not be too bothered about riding the Snake, so not a big deal. The world is full of nobbers, and this thread has proved that. Time for it to be closed I think, as well as the road.

 

[matticus]

It's only going to be closed for a few more weeks while repairs are carried out, it's not like this is gone for good.

I do think you're missing a key point:
People want to cycle up a Snake Pass CLOSED TO MOTOR TRAFFIC!!!

By all accounts it's not much fun at usual traffic levels - I think I got lucky on a July Saturday in 2020, bytheby - so it's not surprising how much people enjoyed it over the weekend just gone!

 

[classic33]

Have a gander at the road on one.network, there's more than one closure notice in place. Plus other restrictions in place already.

 

[I like Skol]

By all accounts it's not much fun at usual traffic levels - I think I got lucky on a July Saturday in 2020, bytheby - so it's not surprising how much people enjoyed it over the weekend just gone!

Actually, as a regular (maybe half a dozen times a year, daytime, night time, week day, weekend, rain wind or shine) I don't think you were lucky at all. Sure, hit it in the commuter peak times and it might not be fun, but most of the time it is quite a pleasant and quiet place to be. Probably gets busier on a Sunday with tourists than it does in the middle of the day during the week.

 

[nickyboy]

Actually, as a regular (maybe half a dozen times a year, daytime, night time, week day, weekend, rain wind or shine) I don't think you were lucky at all. Sure, hit it in the commuter peak times and it might not be fun, but most of the time it is quite a pleasant and quiet place to be. Probably gets busier on a Sunday with tourists than it does in the middle of the day during the week.

I am probably even more regular than @I like Skol . I've done the climb about 150 times in past 7 years

The only times when it isn't pleasant are weekdays 7am-9am and then 4pm to 6pm, probably 3pm to 6pm on a Friday. It's only then you get people in cars in a rush. The rest of the time it's fine. Probably the quietest times (other than really early or late) are middle of the day Mon-Thu

The Glossop side is almost always fine. It's wide with good sight lines and lots of overtaking opportunities. I ride that at any time. The Sheffield side is narrower without such good overtaking. I would avoid during rush hour

 

[matticus]

Have a gander at the road on one.network, there's more than one closure notice in place. Plus other restrictions in place already.
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The section between those 2 farms is at least 3km East of the summit. I don't see any justification for closing 7 miles of road that is unaffected. I'm not an eexpert on the relevant laws, but it doesn't look like they have the right to stop anyone (coming from Glossop direction).

 

[Sister Jeanne]

So I went to the Snake, Glossop side this morning on my bike. I knew the following:

1) Cyclists are being turned around at Glossop and Ladybower reservoirs, effectively closing a 9 mile stretch of the Snake
2) The Temporary Traffic Restraining Order actually only covers the 200m landslip stretch

Got stopped by the personnel at the Glossop side and was told the Snake Road was closed. I explained all I wanted to do was ride to the top, turn around and then ride back down. Told it was closed. I explained that it wasn't closed, the 200m stretch was closed but the other 9 miles or so are not closed. I was told "do what you like, I can't stop you". I didn't want to be confrontational so I turned around and cycled elsewhere

The simple answer to this predicament is as follows:

The personnel at Glossop and Ladybower stop everyone and tell them that they can travel as far as the landslip section but that section is 100% impassable. So they either out and back, or sack it off and cycle elsewhere. The issue for HPBC is that cyclists, being cyclists, some will try to sneak through the officially closed section

I heard the grumpy personnel has moved to the night shift.
I was at Snake Summit around 2pm today.
A cyclist went past on the way. At the top another cyclist appeared and stopped so we got chatting. Then another appeared and joined in. Turned out we were there to prove we could be. Then chatted about the Kinder Trespass and apparently it is back this year on 23-24 April. We didn't have a flag to raise up the bus stop pole but the invasion of Snake Summit was a success.
There was just 2 small vans went past and nothing heavy.
DCC make claim that it is also closed to pedestrians but there are no closed signs at footpaths that feed on to the road.

That is the state of play. I would guess it will be similar tomorrow.

I think my comments start a bickering fayre rather than deal with the substantive issue of lots of people wanting to access the road, but it's good to have different opinions.

It really does boil down to clarifying what the law is like it did on Kinder but I'm not getting that vibe here. Unless anything big happens on that front, I'll go and chat with the likes of the freedom fighters I met today.

P.S. The usual format is to have a 'Road Closed Ahead' sign at the start of a long country road. Then 'Road Closed' where the Section 14 order is in place, where it's fair enough that you enforce closure.


PPS If a lot of people go where the order is in place then they weaken any argument to have the rest of the road open.

 

[classic33]

I heard the grumpy personnel has moved to the night shift.
I was at Snake Summit around 2pm today.
A cyclist went past on the way. At the top another cyclist appeared and stopped so we got chatting. Then another appeared and joined in. Turned out we were there to prove we could be. Then chatted about the Kinder Trespass and apparently it is back this year on 23-24 April. We didn't have a flag to raise up the bus stop pole but the invasion of Snake Summit was a success.
There was just 2 small vans went past and nothing heavy.
DCC make claim that it is also closed to pedestrians but there are no closed signs at footpaths that feed on to the road.

That is the state of play. I would guess it will be similar tomorrow.

I think my comments start a bickering fayre rather than deal with the substantive issue of lots of people wanting to access the road, but it's good to have different opinions.

It really does boil down to clarifying what the law is like it did on Kinder but I'm not getting that vibe here. Unless anything big happens on that front, I'll go and chat with the likes of the freedom fighters I met today.

P.S. The usual format is to have a 'Road Closed Ahead' sign at the start of a long country road. Then 'Road Closed' where the Section 14 order is in place, where it's fair enough that you enforce closure.


PPS If a lot of people go where the order is in place then they weaken any argument to have the rest of the road open.

If the closure notice includes cyclists, why can't you just accept that you shouldn't be using it?

There isn't the one single issue along that road either. If you're not satisfied, contact the person shown earlier on the closure notice. Name and number given.

 

[Sister Jeanne]

DCC were contacted for a statement on Monday but I've not had a reply.
I accept the Section 14 road closure order is in place at Alport Bridge but question the legality of blocking access to the other 12 miles where no order is in place.
Legal clarification and bickering is a nice way to go rather than discussing who is an idiot.

 

[classic33]

DCC were contacted for a statement on Monday but I've not had a reply.
I accept the Section 14 road closure order is in place at Alport Bridge but question the legality of blocking access to the other 12 miles where no order is in place.
Legal clarification and bickering is a nice way to go rather than discussing who is an idiot.

It's not the only closure notice on that section of road. There's multiple issues along the closed section, and there's a diversion in place, from either end