A week without a helmet.

[ufkacbln]

But there is no point discussing the claims unless there is data to back it up , if you have no scientific data to back up your claims then it is not fact !

You have a go at the pro helmet mob for making unsubstantiated claims then the antis do the exact same thing , that's why the argument goes round in a circle .

Please do not tell me you are claiming the "snag points" are unevidenced!

 

[User6179]

Please do not tell me you are claiming the "snag points" are unevidenced!

Ok show me how many cyclist have died because they wore a helmet ?

 

[ufkacbln]

So there is evidence for snag points then?

 

[User6179]

So there is evidence for snag points then?

I have no idea !
If you have evidence of deaths caused by cycle helmets I would like to see it .

 

[theclaud]

There is no anti helmet lobby.

Yeah there is. Me 'n' @ianrauk. Admittedly it's more of a Helmets Are Sh*te" lobby, really, but we are obliging sorts, and we feel that the lid evangelists need a proper enemy.

 

[User6179]

The "anti helmet" lobby do not need to make a case at all. It is entirely up to compulsionists to prove the overall net benefit of their proposal. The reason why it goes round in circles is that they cannot make that case or, like roadkill here, don't even bother to try.

Who said the anti helmeteers had to make a case ?
My point was both sides make unsubstantiated claims !

 

[Fab Foodie]

Yeah there is. Me 'n' @ianrauk. Admittedly it's more of a Helmets Are Sh*te" lobby, really, but we are obliging sorts, and we feel that the lid evangelists need a proper enemy.

Well I can't argue with that ... After all, HASL seems an appropriate acronym ....

 

[User6179]

I read it as implicit in the criticism that claims are unsubstantiated.

No they don't have to make a case , but if they do it has to be backed by facts as does pro helmet argument .

The believers and non believers seem to be using the same anecdotal evidence to back there claims up.

 

[Mugshot]

Is there any particular area which you don't feel is being backed up with evidence @Eddy?

 

[User6179]

Is there any particular area which you don't feel is being backed up with evidence @Eddy?

More like has there been any area that has been backed up by evidence , I don't see any stats that back up either side safety wise , I think there are stats that back up that compulsion leads to less people cycling but that's about it .

 

[User6179]

Have you had a look at this site and some of the links therein? It's a good place to start.
http://www.cyclehelmets.org/1209.html

Yes seen that before and would point out the first paragraph which seems to be a made up opinion with unsubstantiated facts !

It's not surprising that people who've been through a crash on their bike and escaped serious consequences but found helmet damage often believe strongly that the helmet has “saved their life”. However, the number of helmet users with this experience seems very much greater than the number of bare-headed cyclists who ever suffer a head injury. This suggests that the reality might not be so straightforward.

 

[Mugshot]

More like has there been any area that has been backed up by evidence , I don't see any stats that back up either side safety wise , I think there are stats that back up that compulsion leads to less people cycling but that's about it .

@User13710 has posted a good link there to be having a read through, the problem sometimes though is whether the "evidence" is believed or not, frequently the discussion fails because it's entered into with no desire to consider anything which is presented by the other side.

 

[Mugshot]

Bare in mind that the compulsion evidence does also tell us something else, not just that less people cycle.

 

[User6179]

@User13710 has posted a good link there to be having a read through, the problem sometimes though is whether the "evidence" is believed or not, frequently the discussion fails because it's entered into with no desire to consider anything which is presented by the other side.

Read some of it before and found the site agenda driven ,here is another quote .


If you 'shadow box' at the wall but carefully stop your fist about 50 mm before it reaches the wall (be sure it's limited by your arm's length), no harm will come to your fist. If, without changing your position, you slip a 75 mm thick piece of styrofoam against the wall and repeat the punch, you'll get compressed (and cracked) styrofoam and false 'evidence' that it saved you from harm. In other words, many impacts of helmets would be near misses with bare heads.

 

[theclaud]

Isn't @mickle a member?

He's the secret weapon. I was saving him til later.