2022 Cannondale Synapse

[Alex321]

But you can still buy an LP12/Gyrodec/Rega turntable today, the entry level model is around £3,450 and that is definitely considered entry level. Yet brands such as Panasonic, JVC, Akai, Sony, Aiwa, Technics, Pioneer etc are long gone from the mainstream audio market.

Currys still sell HiFi systems from JVC, Akai, Pioneer, Sony, Panasonic from that list (Argos only Panasonic and Sony). Only Technics have actually disappeared.

 

[Alex321]

I saw the GCN video yesterday, and thought it looked good, until I saw the ridiculous price of a Tiagra equipped version that didn't even have the smart features.

 

[Cycleops]

Currys still sell HiFi systems from JVC, Akai, Pioneer, Sony, Panasonic from that list (Argos only Panasonic and Sony). Only Technics have actually disappeared.

My electric fan is branded Akai

 

[mustang1]

Good morning,

I went no, the bike industry reminds me of the mainstream Hi-Fi industry in the 1980s and 1990s.

The enthusiast's market went for higher and higher prices, weird tech such as directional speaker cabling and denying that CDs were anywhere near as good as a Linn/Naim setup. But these were all sold in expensive stores in demo rooms where you were made to feel special not a crowded shop with indifferent staff or online.

The mainstream market started buying midi systems from Argos etc for £399, then £299, then £199, then £99, remember rack systems, HiFi only shops.

But you can still buy an LP12/Gyrodec/Rega turntable today, the entry level model is around £3,450 and that is definitely considered entry level. Yet brands such as Panasonic, JVC, Akai, Sony, Aiwa, Technics, Pioneer etc are long gone from the mainstream audio market.

The market moved on and the Japanese makers missed the changes, we could all be listening to expensive HiFis with iPods/Android phones as the source, instead many people under 30 have never heard a proper hi-fi system.

The HiFi magazine market was just like the current bike mags (on line mags now) where the reviews generally talk nonsense about identical products. Again there is a but, Chris Frankland used to work for a mainstream magazine packed with adverts started his own magazine with the idea of "telling the truth" and the market didn't want that sort of publication.

Although side by side I can tell the difference between, a steel framed bike with Shimano 600, an aluminium/carbon frame with Claris and a full carbon bike with Di2, excluding STI and Di2 the differences don't matter to me as all three bikes are far better than me.

Bye

Ian

Exactly this.

Those "midi hifi (ahem) systems" with those big stickers proclaiming "1000 WATTS" for £300. People like big numbers with small price tags.

I wonder if the bike market will go like the hifi (and computers) market and they will just become commodity products. Maybe this is what is meant by "race to the bottom".

 

[Alex321]

Exactly this.

Those "midi hifi (ahem) systems" with those big stickers proclaiming "1000 WATTS" for £300. People like big numbers with small price tags.

I wonder if the bike market will go like the hifi (and computers) market and they will just become commodity products. Maybe this is what is meant by "race to the bottom".

It did that a long time ago. You can buy cheap BSOs from places like Toys-r-us, or Sports Direct or Argos or some supermarkets, for sub-£200 prices.

We may sneer at them, but is it so different from those sub-£300 1000 watt "HiFi" systems?

 

[FishFright]

Currys still sell HiFi systems from JVC, Akai, Pioneer, Sony, Panasonic from that list (Argos only Panasonic and Sony). Only Technics have actually disappeared.

Technics have not quite gone completely , they are still making the 1210 DJ turntables.

 

[raymondo60]

Will it sell though? In the numbers that Cannondale would want? I have a feeling it will - the brand is highly reputable, and while some may think the extras and cost a problem, I'm sure there are plenty who will buy into it.

 

[Twilkes]

Will it sell though? In the numbers that Cannondale would want? I have a feeling it will - the brand is highly reputable, and while some may think the extras and cost a problem, I'm sure there are plenty who will buy into it.

Some of the 2022 Optimos are already out of stock, so maybe they worked out how many they could supply and set the higher price accordingly. In a normal market I would expect them to be sat unsold like a Glaswegian staring at a wholemeal loaf on an otherwise empty shelf, but in these sparse times maybe they'll make the same money off a reduced number of units.

(btw that's not racist, it's referring to a specific Glaswegian)

 

[Cycleops]

- the brand is highly reputable, and while some may think the extras and cost a problem, I'm sure there are plenty who will buy into it.

Just not the folks on here though, judging by the comments

 

[Peter Salt]

Will it sell though? In the numbers that Cannondale would want? I have a feeling it will - the brand is highly reputable, and while some may think the extras and cost a problem, I'm sure there are plenty who will buy into it.

Thinking about it, the comparison that someone made earlier to the buggy travel systems was quite good.

I can see this bike bought by people that are not into cycling themselves, as a gift. If your grandkid took up cycling and the sales guy exploits the fact that you want them to be safe, integrated lights, radars, etc. will be a good selling point.

 

[fair weather cyclist]

I can see this bike bought by people that are not into cycling themselves, as a gift. If your grandkid took up cycling and the sales guy exploits the fact that you want them to be safe, integrated lights, radars, etc. will be a good selling point.

So you're suggesting that Cannondale target market are gullable folks? I'd agree

 

[Arrowfoot]

Tiagra for that price??? Taking advantage of the current supplies issues. As a recognised brand one would have thought they had a reputation to protect.

 

[mustang1]

Just one question for the OP. Does the word ‘sensible’ equate with boring? Who wants to be Captain Sensible? Maybe if you’re a Guardian reader.
The trouble with anything designed by a committee or focus group, which this quite clearly has, with the idea of being ‘all things to all men’ it never quite hits the spot for many. Witness the comments above.

... or Think Tank.

Who comes up with this rubbish!

 

[Sittingduck]

Tiagra - is the new Ultegra, didn't ya know?!

 

[Cycleops]

Tiagra - is the new Ultegra, didn't ya know?!

Try convincing the 'all the gear' lycra clad rider