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bobinski
Legendary Member
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- Tulse Hill
Monte, that’s really interesting. My experience is muddied by a little weight loss since getting the Neo and my little knee issues
I do know that despite my weight falling and my ftp going up I cannot beat some times I set on the pro. I just did a trawl of the Zwift riders group and rider experiences of moving from a pro to a pm of any kind and it varied from 12% reduction in ftp to 30w less etc. And some more extreme examples but that might be due to variance in how the pros sometimes functioned in Zwift, the occasional even easier watts. Mind you there was no discussion of weight. I have a theory around Cadence but it’s no more than a theory!
Were you a bit worried Paul would walk off with the Neo?
bobinski
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- Tulse Hill
We were too busy discussing trainers whilst drinking Peroni
Also, I could hardly walk, let alone walk off with a Neo!
Looked at Paul's recent rides where he was pretty much flat out, one Bkool Pro and One Neo. I know there is a difference in course, so looked for the longest flatish section. Over a ~6 mile section there was a ~2mph difference/advantage on the Bkool, roughly similar heart rate 170(Paul tried harder on the Neo--Fan?!), Watts were 330W(bkool), 285W(Neo).
bobinski
Legendary Member
- Location
- Tulse Hill
So about 10-15 %?
I am Interested in Paul saying he has become a stronger rider. That suggests the best comparison, allowing for some variables such as fatigue, drafting etc, would be recent rides. Perhaps he can be persuaded to do back to back rides on a 3 sisters coutse of his choosing? A nice mix of flat and bump.
That said I would rather we all agreed a race date and time, a Kiss race say on a non flat course, of 20 or more miles. You big watts guys should have the advantage on the flat whilst some of us may have more of an advantage on the bumps. Looking at Paul’s figures he should do well on both. Would some of us try harder knowing Paul was there to chase
Nothing ventured nothing gained
First of all, having seen the inner bits of the Pro unit, it doesn't look like you can expect super precision, so there's probably a fair amount of variance between the units to begin with.
On top of that, some of us had Bkool dial in and changed our unit configuration.
The result after 3 config changes on my unit, seems to be that it gives me much more realistic avg. watts in BSim, but unfortunately with a wrong distribution (too little going up and too much going down).
The result in Zwift is that I cannot use the Pro as a main source. Zwift is probably expecting a "standard" Pro, not a realistic one
. I have to switch to my lightest gear (34/28) just to be able to keep an acceptable cadence at 0%.I recently aquired a 4iiii power meter which is now permanently on my commute bike, and I have been using that as power- and cadence source for this- and last months Zwift rides. The Pro behaves very nice when it just needs to change resistance.
bobinski
Legendary Member
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- Tulse Hill
I was trying to pacify @bobinski as he thinks our Pro advantage is much bigger which is why he loses to us in the virtual world
Edit : I think that makes me a Cat C rider anyway, so I think I'll stick there for now and learn some race tactics before I venture into the world of the B riders.
Whorty, you are so very cheeky
The result in Zwift is that I cannot use the Pro as a main source. Zwift is probably expecting a "standard" Pro, not a realistic one
That is not right LBH! No way should you be using the easiest gearing on the flat to keep cadence up.
Whorty, you are so very cheeky
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<Tommy>
Illegitimi non carborundum
- Location
- Camden, London
Convincing your wife you need a new turbo trainer, a few months after convincing her you need a new bike?
I'm assuming she enjoyed her breakfast in bed this morning
