Yet another child mauled to death.

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Badger_Boom

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York
A few of us were talking today about these dogs and that horrible incident on Tuesday. I was the only one that hasn't witnessed a 'devil dog' attack. One bloke told of him out walking with his friend and his little dog, when an attack dog appeared from nowhere. I won't go into detail as I heard some disturbing stuff, but the little dog died after being attacked by the 'devil dog' even though both men tried frantically to save the dog.

I had a large dog doberman sized but with a very large jaw come up to me today. Scared the life out if me and I'm used to dogs.
I’m another lockdown newbie dog owner but even I’ve had a run in with an unexpectedly aggressive dog.

I was walking our then six month old working cocker when a guy passed us going the opposite direction with a staffy cross. I held Hektor out of the way because he can be a bit over friendly but as they passed the other dog suddenly turned and made a lunge towards us. Before I could do anything it grabbed one of his ears and refused to let go, and it took the owner ages to get it to let go. I was too shocked to do anything and after exchanging a few choice words we went home. It was only then that we found blood coming from a wound to his throat, that the vet told was close to being fatal.

Luckily he recovered well and the experience doesn't seem to have put him off other Dog’s. However, it certainly made me a lot more wary.
 

Accy cyclist

Legendary Member
I’m another lockdown newbie dog owner but even I’ve had a run in with an unexpectedly aggressive dog.

I was walking our then six month old working cocker when a guy passed us going the opposite direction with a staffy cross. I held Hektor out of the way because he can be a bit over friendly but as they passed the other dog suddenly turned and made a lunge towards us. Before I could do anything it grabbed one of his ears and refused to let go, and it took the owner ages to get it to let go. I was too shocked to do anything and after exchanging a few choice words we went home. It was only then that we found blood coming from a wound to his throat, that the vet told was close to being fatal.

Luckily he recovered well and the experience doesn't seem to have put him off other Dog’s. However, it certainly made me a lot more wary.

I've watched one or two videos about these 'Bullys'. Many owners feed them on raw meat. It's not just them as a woman I know has, or had till one died the other month three Shih Tzus. She feeds her's 'raw' as they call it. Her dogs are quite aggressive and will charge at even very big dogs in the local park. Maybe feeding dogs raw meat means they get a taste for uncooked flesh and see other dogs and cats and humans as food?
 
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Arrowfoot

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I've watched one or two videos about these 'Bullys'. Many owners feed them on raw meat. It's not just them as a woman I know has, or had till one died the other month three Shih Tzus. She feeds her's 'raw' as they call it. Her dogs are quite aggressive and will charge at even very big dogs in the local park. Maybe feeding dogs raw meat means they get a taste for uncooked flesh and see other dogs and cats and humans as food?

Not sure feeding raw meat would stand up to scientific scrutiny in term of increased aggression. Just like human diet, pet diet has fallen to savvy marketing. The number of aisles dedicated to pet food has grown in supermarket as well as new standalone outlets as the margins are high. I do however understand the convenience of a balanced in meal portion made readily available when people are busy.
 

Jody

Stubborn git
I've watched one or two videos about these 'Bullys'. Many owners feed them on raw meat. It's not just them as a woman I know has, or had till one died the other month three Shih Tzus. She feeds her's 'raw' as they call it. Her dogs are quite aggressive and will charge at even very big dogs in the local park. Maybe feeding dogs raw meat means they get a taste for uncooked flesh and see other dogs and cats and humans as food?

My friend has a Labrador that is fed on a raw diet and it's as soft as.

The diet has nothing to do with aggression
 

gbb

Squire
Location
Peterborough
Without knowing the breed, its history, the family, its history, the days, weeks running up to the incident, the dogs behaviour, im not sure id want to make a consideration on it.
What i do think is some people enter into dog ownership without much of a clue (we pretty much all do that initially), and many people simply dont see the signs, or worse, do, and cant bring themselves to do something about it. Laziness is pretty much a human condition, its everywhere, just too much effort to take the right path.
Its us thats the problem, not the dogs per se.

And as i think about it further, there's another element, the dog itself naturally), irrespective of breed.
Historically, we always had Labradors (4 so far). Each one of them is quite different in its temperament. All friendly, all been fabulous with kids and their general behaviour but...our current one is different that all the others....hugely driven by excitement when he sees other dogs, to the exclusion of me and everything else. He's also 'mouthy' , loves to soft bite, more o that all he others put together.
So even though we 'know' Labs, our current one is reigned in when the kids are around, we don't even want him playing with them unattended.

Ultimately, its taking responsibility. But its easy to say, we had a guy working with us who had a German Shepherd guard dog (he was in security). It never showed an ounce of aggression against him....until the day it nearly killed him (no joke, it really nearly did) His scars on his arms and legs are terrible. Turned out it had a tumor, undetected, until the moment it went berzerk. You just never know and cannot control things 1000%
 

Jody

Stubborn git
We've heard many times words like "He's never done that before" or "She's always been a lovable, playful dog, I don't know what made her turn like that", when hearing about another dog attack.

It was more against your assertion that raw dog meat may make them aggressive, which it doesn't.

A dog is a dog and any breed/size can attack.
 

Badger_Boom

Veteran
Location
York
I've watched one or two videos about these 'Bullys'. Many owners feed them on raw meat. It's not just them as a woman I know has, or had till one died the other month three Shih Tzus. She feeds her's 'raw' as they call it. Her dogs are quite aggressive and will charge at even very big dogs in the local park. Maybe feeding dogs raw meat means they get a taste for uncooked flesh and see other dogs and cats and humans as food?
Our cocker is raw fed and he’s definitely not aggressive. Mind you, we’ve done our best to train him that humans, cats, and other dogs are (mostly) friends not food.
 

Accy cyclist

Legendary Member
Our cocker is raw fed and he’s definitely not aggressive. Mind you, we’ve done our best to train him that humans, cats, and other dogs are (mostly) friends not food.

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I might try mine with raw. Though looking at that pic', he looks like he might kick off if he gets a taste for raw flesh!:unsure: ;)
 
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I've watched one or two videos about these 'Bullys'. Many owners feed them on raw meat. It's not just them as a woman I know has, or had till one died the other month three Shih Tzus. She feeds her's 'raw' as they call it. Her dogs are quite aggressive and will charge at even very big dogs in the local park. Maybe feeding dogs raw meat means they get a taste for uncooked flesh and see other dogs and cats and humans as food?
As far as 'raw' diets go, the soppiest carnivores I have ever kept were a pair of raw-fed ferrets, retired from hunting. When they came to me, I maintained their raw diet but added kibble for convenience and so that if I went away my neighbour would be happy to care for them for me. Bite a human? I don't think they actually knew how to.

Raw or otherwise hasn't got anything to do with the temperament of a dog, as long as it keeps them appropriately nourished - it's the owner's attitude and understanding, the animal's correct socialisation and its training and management during its lifetime, which is the pivotal point of behavioural difference. Obviously there are general differences in temperament, abilities and intelligence between individuals, between different breeds and particular strains/lines of breeds, too, but that is more of a tendency and ability rather than a fixed characteristic.

There are also various 'conditions' - for want of a more accurately-descriptive word - both congenital and otherwise, which can lead to 'unexpected' and even uncontrollable bouts of aggression, and it's clear that certain breeds and types have, in some of their 'strains' at least, been taken into risky directions by some breeders (inadvertently, in most cases) but in some cases in some breeds, I believe the wrong, often dangerous, tendencies and abilities have been deliberately bred for and encouraged.

People who legitimately need dogs which can be 'weaponised' eg police, armed forces etc do not go for these 'bully' breeds. They need dogs which have the sort of energy, intelligence and mental stability which can be trained and channelled into appropriate and controlled aggression - and switched off, too.

That 'off' switch is more important than any other, and is one of the main things that seems to be, for whatever reason, lacking in the types of dogs now so fashionable among certain sections of the community. I would also question the neurological and psychiatric health and stability of many of those dogs. With a 'doubtful' or at least 'untested' label hanging over them, and questions about the presence or otherwise of a working 'off' switch, I wouldn't want one in my house.

A few acquaintances of mine - usually ones with a dog or cat already - have acquired street dogs from rescues in Greece or Spain, rather than risk a bull-type breed of unknown background from a UK dog rescue, which is the most commonly-available at least round here. Although they have had issues with house training, adjustment of diet, separation anxiety, shyness with strangers, scavenging, recall, escaping and/or walking on the lead, not one of them has had any concerns about the actual temperament of the dogs which have been without fail sociable with other dogs, tolerant or even fond of cats and, basically, enthusiastic about enjoying life in general.
 
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