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Cubist

Still wavin'
Location
Ovver 'thill
As promised, a quick review of the T6 XML 12oo cheapie

I paid 28 quid for it. It took two and a half weeks to arrive. It looks well made, but the battery is the usual chinese 4 battery shrinkwrapped job with card at either end. It comes with a cordura/nylon pouch with velcro tab to wrap round the frame. It isn't waterproof, so I would seal it in a plastic bag or water bottle if I were using it on the frame. As it is to be used as a helmet light it'll be fine in my hydration pack or back pocket.

The light unit itself is smaller than the MJ 808 and looks nicer in my opinion.

It mounts in exactly the same way as a MS, with two different sized rubber rings. If fitting it to bars I would bulk the bar out with old inner tube to make it grip better (my MTB has 25.4mm bars) .


The head strap has a base plate for the lamp which fits onto the top half-cylinder as if it were on the bars. I cut the elastic headband off and threw it away. I then cable tied the base plate to my helmet.

The lamp unit, on top of the helmet mount, on top of your head, when out of the saddle, puts the light in the path of some overhanging stuff, so be aware of the extra height when off-road.

I rode with it as a complimentary lamp to the MJ816 I already have on the bars. That is already great, and gives a wide spread of usable light on tracks and the road. The T6 is a far more centre-weighted spot, and is incredibly bright.

In pitch black, on wooded sections, with some serious descents, not being able to see was never an issue. I had the 816 focussed about five yards from the front of the bike, thus lighting up to ten yards in front. The T6 was set as a look ahead light, and enabled me to focus a long way down the trail.

It is a warmer light than the P7 in the 816, just a bit yellower. I hesitate to say this, but I think it's better and brighter. It certainly added an enormous amount to the available light. I may order another one and try one on the bars and one on my head. They are tight focussed, but with enough spill to light the edge of a double width bridleway.

We rode for 2hrs 5 mins. In that time the light was on perhaps one hour and 20 mins, as it wasn't needed on the road. There was no noticeable decline in light output.

On the medium setting it was more than adequate for climbing.

I'll sort out the headcam and add some trail footage next chance I get.
 

Hedge101

New Member
Robjh,

I ride daily on unlit rural roads in all weathers including snow & fog. I use these lights coupled with a head torch ('everyready' one):

http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/..._productId_525183_langId_-1_categoryId_165636


Halfords lights in my experience are excellent..., why -

1. Previous set (earlier design), the front light lasted 3 & half years. it was dropped twice & repaired with super glue - still worked. (They are now my spare set).

2. You can buy extra brackets to change between bikes.

3. The front light is very bright in the non flashing mode, & I've found it more than adequate.

4. You don't need to re-mortgage your house prior to purchase.


'don't know if that helps. If you're riding a road bike you may be looking for something different due to the speed. I ride a touring bike (Dawes Galaxy) normally & an old MTB in the snow & ice 24 miles a day (Mon - Fri). These lights have always worked (Temperatures -10 upwards) - no need for any mods.

Drawbacks

1. Fronts use AA & rear uses AAA.


2. Not really suitable for 'fast' off road use.



Hope this helps
 

david k

Hi
Location
North West
Get a magicshine MJ808 or higher great for unlit country roads (I commute 8 miles, mostly unlit downhill at speeds of 30 mph + plus with mine) and cheap for it's brightness. With a MS you are looking at 800 lumen plus for as little as £50 to £60 if you are willing to order from Hong Kong or maybe circa £70 from a UK seller
up hill both ways? lol
 

Cletus Van Damme

Previously known as Cheesney Hawks
My T6 Smooth Crown XML arrived today, so that was ordered on 5 September, and arrived in just over a fortnight.


I have just ordered this same light from DX. I am not to keen on the O ring handlebar mounts as I have a similar thing on a cheap Topeak light and it is shite. I wondered if either Cubist or anybody else that has ordered this light knows if the handlebar clamp that is only around £2 from CRC that I have seen linked on here that some people use with the Magicshine light will also fit this one? Thanks for any help.
 

pshore

Well-Known Member
I have just ordered this same light from DX. I am not to keen on the O ring handlebar mounts as I have a similar thing on a cheap Topeak light and it is shite. I wondered if either Cubist or anybody else that has ordered this light knows if the handlebar clamp that is only around £2 from CRC that I have seen linked on here that some people use with the Magicshine light will also fit this one? Thanks for any help.

I don't know about the CRC one, but for my torches, I find this DX mount works very well. It will only fit on bar sizes up to the size of a 2p piece.

Re delivery times, I've just received my batteries from DX after two and half weeks. edit, received my Eastward XML T6 torch after 3 weeks.
 

Cubist

Still wavin'
Location
Ovver 'thill
I have just ordered this same light from DX. I am not to keen on the O ring handlebar mounts as I have a similar thing on a cheap Topeak light and it is shite. I wondered if either Cubist or anybody else that has ordered this light knows if the handlebar clamp that is only around £2 from CRC that I have seen linked on here that some people use with the Magicshine light will also fit this one? Thanks for any help.

Sorry, I don't know. I put mine on my helmet. The smaller ones don't suffer the same wobble as the big three lens ones though. I'll get my screwdriver out and check whether it fits this evening, although I have no reason to suspect it won't. .
 

Bman

Guru
Location
Herts.
2x of these (Front flashers/backups if the main beam dies.)
2x of these (Rear flashers, I intend to mount either side of the wheel, on the seat stays)
1x of these (Rear main, if its bright enough)
and this (Front main)

I think that should do me :smile:


I chased this yesterday as there was no updates on my account page.

All items apart from these had arrived from the supplier. However they advised it could be two weeks before they were in stock.

So they removed that product from my order, refunded me the difference and dispaced the rest! I should have my lights sometime next week :thumbsup:
 

Cletus Van Damme

Previously known as Cheesney Hawks
Thanks Pshore and Cubist for the replies :thumbsup:
 

Fab Foodie

hanging-on in quiet desperation ...
Location
Kirton, Devon.
Just been out for my first real test with the T6 and it's pretty damn good! OK, primarily a focused beam, but the spread and the spill is good for fast night roadie riding. Compared to my 3w Cree Tesco and Lidle torches, this is a major step up in the photon arms race! I'm night riding to London tomorrow, so it'll get a good sorting then. OK, take Cubists advice regarding build quality, but hell, for the price it's a lot of very useful light.
 

pshore

Well-Known Member
Waddaya know, I got home and there was my Eastward XML T6 waiting for me.

Just took it outside to compare against my P7 and is loads brighter. I must check the run time.

As fab said it has quite a spot in the middle, but floods as wide as the P7 overall. I wouldn't want anything brighter on the bars. It's quite large for a helmet light but will give it a go.

The build quality of the case looks good. Electronics inside, I dunno, I am no expert and I have no issues with my older lights. Except for the darn SOS mode. Having said that I used SOS once on the commute in the day and it parted the crawling traffic like Jesus at the seaside.
 

Bman

Guru
Location
Herts.
First shipment arrived this morning!

2x of these (Front flashers/backups if the main beam dies.)
2x of these (Rear flashers, I intend to mount either side of the wheel, on the seat stays)
1x of
these (Rear main, if its bright enough)
and this (Front main)

I think that should do me :smile:

The two front flashers are rubbish. Poor build quality, and each one takes 4x AAA's. Ill keep them for backups still, but I expected a little more from them. They were only $3.75 each :smile:

As for the T6. It is bright! Very bright. Much better build quality and looks perfect on the front of the road bike :becool:

Now Im finding myself wishing away the daylight so I can go for a ride and test it out properly :biggrin:
 

Cletus Van Damme

Previously known as Cheesney Hawks
I just got my T6 XML today and it seems really good. I just have a couple of questions if anybody can help please. I was planning on putting the battery in a water bottle but the wire from the battery is way to short. I was wondering if I could get an extension cable from anywhere, what I really wanted to know what size the plug was on the battery to the light, I believe that I read on here that it is a different size to the magicshine lights. Also what do people use to keep the connection from the battery to the light waterpoof. I was just thinking of using insulation tape but I guess I will have to keep re-applying it everytime I use the bike. Any ideas thanks.
 

Motozulu

Über Member
Location
Rugeley, Staffs
First - hello - second - apologies for bumping a year old thread but I am keen to know how you've all got on with the MS/MS clones a year on?
It seems you can now get them from Amazon at a good price
.... http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B006RHB41Y...........
and I am looking at getting one off them.

I am a noob :smile: I live less than 3 miles from the dog and monkey trails on Cannock Chase and started doing them this summer and am ready for some nightime action. Any feedback on these lights now you've all had em for a bit would be ace - many thanks in advance.
 

MrGrumpy

Huge Member
Location
Fly Fifer
First - hello - second - apologies for bumping a year old thread but I am keen to know how you've all got on with the MS/MS clones a year on?
It seems you can now get them from Amazon at a good price
.... http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B006RHB41Y...........
and I am looking at getting one off them.

I am a noob :smile: I live less than 3 miles from the dog and monkey trails on Cannock Chase and started doing them this summer and am ready for some nightime action. Any feedback on these lights now you've all had em for a bit would be ace - many thanks in advance.


ok to bump this a bit more :smile: A year on and my T6 has bitten the dust, first the battery started shorting due to the crap water proofing within the first 3 months. Fixed that then 6 months later the battery died completely. Bought a new battery from Torchyboy, which worked great for a week then boom, the head unit stopped working. Found out it was more or less loose connections inside due to vibration, however being cheaply built I found also that a small coil on the driver board was also shorting against the casing inside and thus it is now deceased! ^_^

In summary you get what you pay for, if you get a year out of it then great, treat as disposable and budget in buying a new one at least once a year! Will I buy another, probably will do but undecided whether to buy a small torch this time or go for another light like the one you posted.
 
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