What have I done with rear derailleur?

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geopat

Über Member
Location
Edinburgh
So I decide to adjust the tension on the rear derailleur cable as the gears were crunching a little. It's a tiagra 9 speed.

Result now is that the chain will not move up the cogs ... Its stuck in the small cog and also the shifter will not move to the top gears only the first 4/5 out of the nine.

Thinking about it now I'm not surprised the gears won't move up if the chain is stuck in the small cog.

Is my first move to move chain to big cog and match with the appropriate gear then adjust cable? Help Thanks.
 

ianrauk

Tattooed Beat Messiah
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Rides Ti2
This may help..

 

Cubist

Still wavin'
Location
Ovver 'thill
Start back at the beginning. Front mech first. Undo the cable clamp on the mech and then ensure the shifter is released, ie that it is in small cog setting. If you haven't moved the mechs position or limit screws leave them well alone. Now, wind the barrel adjuster all the way in, then back it off a half turn. pull the cable through the cable clamp to take up all the slack and clamp it in place. Now, turn the pedals gently and try to shift from small to big. If it does it smoothly and quickly you've cracked it. If it doesn't quite go up quickly and smoothly, use the barrel adjuster to add tension to the cable until it does.

Once that's working shift to the back and once again, put the chain on the smallest cog, undo the cable clamp, shift to smallest shifter position ie release the shifter. Wind the barrel adjuster all the way in then back out half a turn. Again, if you haven't messed with the limit screws leave well alone, and this time pull the cable through the clamp as tight as you can by hand, you need to take all the slack out. Use a pair of pliers to get more of a grip.

Now, with the chain on middle ring turn the pedals and try to shift to the next cog. Once again, it needs to move smoothly and quickly from first to second . If not, add tension a little at a time using the barrel adjuster , remembering to click, then release as you do so, so each time you are trying to achieve a smooth fast change with one simple click of the shifter. Once you have got it shifting up a cog properly, try the shift up to the third cog from the second, and then ensure that the shift is one click per cog all the way to the biggest one.
Now you need to check that it comes back down cleanly and crisply, again, one click of the release for one drop down the cassette. Make fine adjustments with the barrel adjuster but don't go so far that it stops shifting up,properly. Bit of trial and error and patience helps here.
Finally put the chain on the big ring and check the changes are smooth up and down the same. In future, now your cable has stretched and bedded in, yo will only need to make fine adjustments using the barrel adjusters.
 
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geopat

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Location
Edinburgh
Thanks but even with the cable loose the shifter would not go to its top gear setting....I've messed with top barrel adjuster too much I think.

What do I do to get the top barrel adjuster back in order? Many thanks.
 

Cubist

Still wavin'
Location
Ovver 'thill
Without being funny we need to clarify the names of various parts.
The shifter is the lever on the bars that you use to change gear.
The barrel adjuster is the cylindrical adjuster on the cable just under the shifters. They allow fine tension adjustment forthe cable.
The mechs are the caged mech on the front that lifts the chain from chainring to chainring at the front, and the rear mech is the derailleur that moves the chain from cog to cog on the cassette.

If you have screwed the barrel adjuster to extremes then simply turn it all the way anticlockwise to take al the tension off.

The front mech has limit screws which stop the mech taking the chain off into the frame from the small chainring, and off the big ring towards the crank. Have you moved these?
 

RecordAceFromNew

Swinging Member
Location
West London
Thanks but even with the cable loose the shifter would not go to its top gear setting....I've messed with top barrel adjuster too much I think.

What do I do to get the top barrel adjuster back in order? Many thanks.

If the inner cable is loose the barrel adjuster doesn't really do anything. It sounds to me the cable is probably jammed, probably in the shifter. Try not to force things and try to free the inner cable and reinstalling it (if it is not mangled). This might help, assuming your shifters are Tiagra.

As you can see from the guide barrel adjuster should be completely tightened (turned clockwise) before cable reinstallation.

For rear mech adjustment this should help. Until you are experienced and know what you are doing it is best to follow each and every step.
 
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geopat

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Location
Edinburgh
Thanks screenman, did so in the end.

Cable is jammed in the shifter. I need a new shifter with is £120. Grrrreat.
 
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geopat

Über Member
Location
Edinburgh
It's getting worse....no Tiagra 9 speeds being shipped for 6 months. Gone with 2013 spec Soras x2. It's a downgrade in spec but I ain't paying £200 for 105s.
 

grumpyoldgit

Über Member
Location
Surrey
It's getting worse....no Tiagra 9 speeds being shipped for 6 months. Gone with 2013 spec Soras x2. It's a downgrade in spec but I ain't paying £200 for 105s.
I wouldn't use any of the low spec,either Dura Ace or Ultegra is a must,keep an eye on the bay,they are always coming up.Last DA I sold was front & rear mech & levers,all for under £200, not a mark on them.
 
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geopat

Über Member
Location
Edinburgh
It's just gotten worse for me. I'm sure this bike is jinxed.

Out tonight with my new shifters, gear cables, trued rear wheel etc etc. Gears are a bit crunchy and it appears that the front derailleur always wants to go to the smaller chainring when under max torque.

What happens going up steep hill? Yep, chain breaks.

Anyone know if there is a direct connection with the front derailleur issue I had just before the chain breaking and the chain itself. I think as it wasn't set up properly or tested the chain suffered with extra stress but what do I know. Do I have a case with LBS? Thanks
 
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