What an HGV sees of you

[deptfordmarmoset]

That is why they are mostly all gone.

Yes, many have gone. However, a couple of the persisting ones around here have ghost bikes attached....

 

[gaz]

It's worth noting that one of the mirrors in the cab was missed. It's at the top of the passenger window and shows you what is to the side of the cab and has a convected mirror to show a large area. The mirror is present on this cab, but obviously, showing how correctly fitted and used mirrors show things would ruin the point of the video.

An example, Although I think this one is set up for the driver and not the photographer, as such you see quite a bit of the cab and not as much of the side.
Some cyclists in the video would be missed with this mirror but the majority at the front should be visible.

 

[Judderz]

[QUOTE 2778537, member: 30090"]LOL that vid....the unit and trailer are incorrectly positioned for the sake of rather blatant scaremongering...[/quote]
No it's not.

The simulation is set up for the vehicle doing a left turn (see indicator on cab unit), whereas the vehicle would have to take the corner wide due to its length as to avoid hitting the kerb, which is how the vehicle is positioned. This is when the simulation switches to the camera video shots to show what the driver can and can't see.

 

[MontyVeda]

It's worth noting that one of the mirrors in the cab was missed. It's at the top of the passenger window and shows you what is to the side of the cab and has a convected mirror to show a large area. The mirror is present on this cab, but obviously, showing how correctly fitted and used mirrors show things would ruin the point of the video.

An example, Although I think this one is set up for the driver and not the photographer, as such you see quite a bit of the cab and not as much of the side.
Some cyclists in the video would be missed with this mirror but the majority at the front should be visible.

It's worth noting that the point of the video, and the image in my avatar is to get the message across to cyclists that it's not a good idea to ride down the inside of long vehicles.... nit picking about the height of the camera in the cab, the mirror they don't show, or the specific position of the HGV at the junction is of no benefit. In fact, it's counter productive.

 

[gaz]

It's worth noting that the point of the video, and the image in my avatar is to get the message across to cyclists that it's not a good idea to ride down the inside of long vehicles.... nit picking about the height of the camera in the cab, the mirror they don't show, or the specific position of the HGV at the junction is of no benefit. In fact, it's counter productive.

I only said it's worth noting because some people are not aware of the missing mirror and what it can do.

 

[Nigelnaturist]

Why shouldn't they?

Not trying to sound harsh above, in any way, just trying to contrast the requirements of different users. In an ideal world...cyclists should be able to go fast if they choose...parents should be able to stroll along with their kids and dogs roaming freely...cyclists should be safe on the main roads...HGV drivers, and other vehicle drivers too, should be able to drive safe in the knowledge that they are aware of every other vehicle and person around them...

None of us are naive enough to think any of this is reality! Whilst we share usage, I am NOT suggesting that each of the above uses should carry on. Its a trade off that we all adhere to and we should all take care of others. That's my point really. Not saying anyone on here blames every HGV driver, but have heard conversations at work to the contrary.

This is what it is about awareness, I drove a truck for many years and never came into contact with a cyclist, it really is about knowing where you are in relationship to others on the road, however I have seen cyclists (as a cyclist) put themselves at risk, it doesn't matter what others do, you as a road user have to think, where is safe for you, and if that means waiting 5 seconds to be safe than that is what you have to do, I have been at junctions waiting and thinking I could have gone there but not one motorist has pip me for waiting, because I am in the right place for the monever I about to make

 

[Nigelnaturist]

I only said it's worth noting because some people are not aware of the missing mirror and what it can do.

Mirrors get broken whilst in the course of a day, you as a driver need to make sure everything is safe, so I got a broken mirror outside King Cross, what do you want me to do block the lane till its fixed, (car drivers would love that as a moaning point, especially as they don't realise that most infrastructure is delivered by trucks ), I did make it safe by having an observer watch my left side. however not everone can do that, which is why as a cyclist you have to be aware of the dangerous that are out there, not moan about it but learn and be safe

 

[MontyVeda]

I only said it's worth noting because some people are not aware of the missing mirror and what it can do.

that's my issue... by stating that there's another mirror that will give the driver a view of the near side of their cab* might lead some readers to think "They have a mirror that shows the nearside of their cab, so it's OK for me to ride down their nearside." ... Which is why i feel the 'nit picking' is counter productive to the point of the video and image.

*assuming it's fitted, positioned correctly and the driver is looking at it.

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

yes I read what you said and for 360 degree monitoring to work then you must be able to see all things at all times otherwise its not 360 degree monitoring.

OK. You seem to have attached some strange interpretation to a relatively easy to understand concept, which I am taking as you being deliberately stupid to avoid acknowledging that you were wrong.

 

[bpsmith]

You're backing down now. You were using the 'go as fast as they like' point as an argument for segregated cycle paths. To extend that same argument would be to let cars and lorries have exclusive use of the roads so that they too can 'go as fast as they like'.

Your original post said 'We should not blame each and every HGV driver', not 'Someone at work has blamed an HGV driver'. In fact no one on here is doing what you suggest.

Not backing down at all...you're just spoiling for an argument!

The way you put it, is exactly what I meant though. IF there were separate cycling lanes then it would mean cyclists could go as fast as legally allowed. The same would then hold true for motorised vehicles on the road. That is correctly what I meant, hence not backing down.

On the other point, I didn't suggest for a moment that anybody on here had blamed the HGV driver. Read the posts...

 

[bpsmith]

This is what it is about awareness, I drove a truck for many years and never came into contact with a cyclist, it really is about knowing where you are in relationship to others on the road, however I have seen cyclists (as a cyclist) put themselves at risk, it doesn't matter what others do, you as a road user have to think, where is safe for you, and if that means waiting 5 seconds to be safe than that is what you have to do, I have been at junctions waiting and thinking I could have gone there but not one motorist has pip me for waiting, because I am in the right place for the monever I about to make

Totally agree. In a perfect world there would be no accidents. I was alluding to the fact that you just can't see EVERY other vehicle and/or person, when people are so unpredictable. You can be the best driver out there and somebody does something stupid to cause an accident at the last moment.

I am sticking up for HGV drivers, not rubbishing them.

 

[bpsmith]

The animosity in this thread is amazing! Not to mention that it's posted in the Beginners section and some causing arguments have been members for a number of years...Beginners?

 

[bpsmith]

I enjoy a good discussion, but your previous posts were just having a pop. The above is more discussion than pointing the finger, thanks.

There's plenty of room for valid arguments without the animosity seen above, and I don't point the finger solely at you btw.

Can we move on now?

 

[Nigelnaturist]

that's my issue... by stating that there's another mirror that will give the driver a view of the near side of their cab* might lead some readers to think "They have a mirror that shows the nearside of their cab, so it's OK for me to ride down their nearside." ... Which is why i feel the 'nit picking' is counter productive to the point of the video and image.

*assuming it's fitted, positioned correctly and the driver is looking at it.

It is never safe to be on the inside of a truck, so dont ever do it, it is that simple, most truck drivers do try and be aware, but things happen, I have had trucks over take me and really well plenty of room ect.. but I have also seen fast oncoming cars make the choice they made to be jeopardy and whilst they had to bring the cab in quickly they had enough experience to to keep the trailer away from me simple because when they overtook me they were on the other carriage way, plus because I observed what was happening I could also slow, this is awareness of riding conditions which we should all do what ever we are riding or driving

 

[subaqua]

Surely it has to be better than the current pair of mirrors though?

theres more than a pair legally