That was only one question out of the survey. Survey was industry based, owners, managers & drivers. Also the only one that we, cyclists were mentioned in.
No that's not a joke, the details of the survey was part of an overall report into the behaviour of rapists. Rapists are known to target women who are drunk or dressed provocatively as they know Barristers can use it to sway the opinion of the jury in court, and the victim can be demonised in court. The victim could, for all the jury know, have only slept with one man in her entire life, but because she happened to be out in a short skirt and got a bit worse the wear for drink, she becomes to the one asking for it. it's a well known common tactic used by barristers which the rape charities are opposed to.
well, the general public sit on juries don't they? and it was a public survey. I used to work in crown court for a defence lawyer. It's shocking at just how many get away with it, because the barrister convinces the jury she asked for it (but that's an whole other thread) just as drivers get away with it because the cyclist didn't wear a helmet/hi viz bla de bla
the problem is Tiny that a vast majority of the public are not educated about this. we know it, but unfortunately a lot of people still think that way. I sat in court once while a girl was ripped apart for wearing boots, leggings and a jumper. provocative? not in any way... but by the time the barrister had finished, it was the most provocative outfit a woman could wear. Imagine if she'd been wearing a short skirt. And yes, they were found not guilty. It is slightly off topic tho so to get back to the original thread its similar to the public not being educated about cyclists, thinking we purposely ride under lorries just to annoy them.
no i'm not critical of it, I believe it. There is a lot of evidence, including admissions from convicted rapists, that they do target women who dress provocatively or are drunk, not because they believe that they are asking for it, but because they can convince others they were asking for it. It's hard enough to be convicted, so any other spanner they can throw in the cogs of justice, they will use it.
hold on minute, why are you jumping down my neck? Yes some women do lie but they are very much the minority . There a far more rapists roaming free than innocent men locked up. But that wasn't my point, my point was the perception its the cyclists fault was similar to the report/survey i read that its a well known tactic for rapists to target particular women as they know the public has a certain opinion of them. ... I said it reminded me of the OPs survey... The public have a certain opinion of cyclists and they blame us. It wasn't meant to descend into a who did what or blame the bloke, it was a comparison of the two surveys and how each seemed to blame the victim.
Something along the lines of the Dutch would be very good @Adrian but then my answer was "not really "which I should have expanded on and should have continued to say that total segragation can't imo be a total reality so we shall just have to put up with waht we have and I also was on a rant so sorry sir (lick lick grovel)2868474 said:
Again sorry @buggi I was not trying to aim anything at you what so ever it was an atempt to well more of a rant in an attempt to redirect the thread a little please accept my most humble grovels sir.
Uhm now thats a thought or two I remember one guy here who during the mid sixtys was a very competative cyclist and he did tell me of one training run he did on which he had just finished work and went out in overalls and he could not belive the space drivers gave him versus the times he was in his racing kit ! his opinion was they think what you wear is an indication as to how good or not you are so may be lycra clad perhaps ?2868485 said:
lol accepted. i didnt mean for the thread to go off topic either mate. And its Miss
