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Dogtrousers

Kilometre nibbler
Or budding kids (not necessarily tight @rses) with no bank account who want to compare to their mates and need to be encouraged. I appreciate that the company needs to be financially stable but I question their timing; look at the likes of RGT :wacko:
RGT are in a different situation. Their nearest competitor is Zwift who already have a critical mass of subscribers. Zwift is already the go to place to organise an online ride with your mates. RGT need to build a subscriber base and brand so going free makes sense for them.

Strava already have the big subscriber base and are the leading brand. They are already the go to place for online cyclo-bragging. So they don't have the same drivers as RGT.
 
RGT are in a different situation. Their nearest competitor is Zwift who already have a critical mass of subscribers. Zwift is already the go to place to organise an online ride with your mates. RGT need to build a subscriber base and brand so going free makes sense for them.

Strava already have the big subscriber base and are the leading brand. They are already the go to place for online cyclo-bragging. So they don't have the same drivers as RGT.
Perhaps. I pay for Strava but I understand that a lot of people won't be in the place to do so (I definitely would not call them tight @rses) the timing is cr@p :sad:
 

Milkfloat

An Peanut
Location
Midlands
Another occasionally subscriber here. I paid for years but finally got so pissed off during the wilderness years where they screwed everything up, did not fix bugs and only released stuff that annoyed the whole community. I was glad to see the founders come back. However, I think they need to be very careful, if they take away too many features then they run the risk of the free users walking away. Strangely the free users are actually providing a great service. How else are Strava going to get the data they need for the paying users? Without the free users then you lose lots of important things like the leaderboard, the route popularity and crucially the direction they have taken themselves with the social element. If lose the ability to 'compete' with your friends or clubmates then you will also think about jumping ship. I don't actually see how the by cutting the leaderboards to free users saves them money as the AWS computing still needs to be the same to cater for the paying users.

On top of all this I don't think Strava are monetizing the significant dataset that they own. If the Sales guys at Strava actually behaved properly and talked to interested parties they could sell a lot more of the insights they have. Not just the obvious data such as where people ride and when but the other stuff like, what they ride, how long their equipment gets used for, what is popular in different areas of the countries, a huge amount of health data this stuff is a mine of information. The dealings I had with Strava in my working life were laughable.

Overall, for sure they had to try and turn a profit, that is the point of a company, but I hope they don't suffer too much for this, after all they hold the most comprehensive data about my cycling history. I won't be a paying customer again until they sort their development team out and fix the terrible bugs and features that people have been crying out about for years.
 

figbat

Slippery scientist
That brings me to another strava annoyance..... There is so much of it only available on a desktop and not via an app. Lots of people rarely touch a desktop thesedays at home. Our work system blocks strava.
You can access the Strava web page on a browser on a phone or tablet - you don’t have to use a desktop. I agree though that a bit more of the web functionality would be good on the app.
 

Ming the Merciless

There is no mercy
Location
Inside my skull
I don't actually see how the by cutting the leaderboards to free users saves them money as the AWS computing still needs to be the same to cater for the paying users

Because they no longer need to compute segment leaderboards or store the, data for free users. So they can scale the AWS compute and storage resources down.
 

johnnyb47

Guru
Location
Wales
In a strange way I'm kind of glad they've removed the leaderboards. I've never subscribed to Strava and never will.
This may come across as childish, but even at 50 years of age i still try to get my best ever times and climb up the leader boards of Strava. It's just the stupid competitive in built nature of me. As I'm old and knackered i don't make much headway but there you go.
Removing the leaderboards has somehow removed that urge to cycle like a possessed idiot and will hopefully turn my cycling into more of an enjoyment hobby instead of trying to compete against cyclists who much younger and faster than me.
After each ride i would religiously check all my different segments and compare them to others. Now this is not available anymore I'm hoping my cycling will become more focused on fulfillment like it used to be and less on being competitive
 

Milkfloat

An Peanut
Location
Midlands
Because they no longer need to compute segment leaderboards or store the, data for free users. So they can scale the AWS compute and storage resources down.
The reports I have seen say that the free users data will still be on the leaderboards, that makes complete sense as they will want to convert people to paid users. I can see a tiny amount saved by not displaying the data to the free users, but the computation is still there as it is not done on demand.
 

straas

Matt
Location
Manchester
I don't think Strava would share their data, so you'd have to build an app that could record and store users rides, then build a system to figure out when someone has completed a segment, and in what time. Then just the trifling matter of promoting the app and getting a big enough user base to make it desirable.

Then take all the inevitable criticism and provide free technical support to all your users, whilst being berated for not implementing every suggestion each user comes up with.
 

Brandane

Legendary Member
Location
Costa Clyde
I don't think Strava would share their data,
Fortunately for Strava, Garmin DID share their data.
I've got no idea about the stats, but I would guess that a large proportion of Strava users initially found their way to it after buying a Garmin device.
 
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Deleted member 26715

Guest
Free user here, always have been, I'm none competitive but I do like to compare my own efforts up a few hills, or over a ride. I upload my rides to Garmin & that syncs across to both Strava & RWGPS did that with yesterday's ride & TBH I can't see any difference to what I could see before unless the change hasn't happened yet on my account, it also sync'd across to swinny.net
 

Mugshot

Cracking a solo.
Free user here, always have been, I'm none competitive but I do like to compare my own efforts up a few hills, or over a ride. I upload my rides to Garmin & that syncs across to both Strava & RWGPS did that with yesterday's ride & TBH I can't see any difference to what I could see before unless the change hasn't happened yet on my account, it also sync'd across to swinny.net
I haven't noticed any difference either, it's not clear to me from the blurb but may have missed it, is it maybe what others see of your efforts?
 
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Deleted member 26715

Guest
I haven't noticed any difference either, it's not clear to me from the blurb but may have missed it, is it maybe what others see of your efforts?
My efforts are private apart from 4 other people, I can still see an effort from one of them from the 17th, another from 18th, they are also suggesting 'Friends' that I can connect with, always people who I have no connection with at all.
 
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