Using 1" Threaded as a 1" 'A' head pair of forks + a shim to 31.8mm

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andrew_s

Legendary Member
Location
Gloucester
Shims to use a 31.8 stem with a 25.4 steerer are fairly common, and were often included with a new stem a while ago when 1" forks were still common. They should have a split, which you would normally position by the stem gap where the clamp bolts are.
 

hoski

Veteran
Location
Oxford, UK
Hoski :- I understand your comment about the additional interface but as the thread is a very fine spiral and the shim is trapped between the cap and the top race and or spacer and then the whole assembly is clamped with the steerer-stem clamp - I cannot see anything moving or be compromised.
I guess my dislike comes from shimming something that simply doesn't need shimming.

I would agree with @andrew_s regarding clamping on the threaded section. With a quill stem the force is effectively is transmitted to a point further down the steerer (where the expanding wedge is) and along the length of the interface between the stem and the steerer tube. When you use a threadless stem, that force will be located in the clamp area. The grooves of the thread on the steerer will effectively act as a stress raiser which increases the likelihood of a crack forming (or rather, reduces the force required for cracks to form due to materical or surface defects). Cycling will create cyclic loading at that point propagating said crack until ultimate failure.

andrew_s has pointed to an example of this failure. My comment comes from having trained as a mechanical engineer. I am definitely no expert in material fatigue and certainly a little rusty but I doubt anyone who was would be comfortable clamping a threaded steerer.

Out of interest, why are you reluctant to use a threaded to threadless adaptor as suggested by fossyant and myself? It seems like a relatively inexpensive solution that should prove safe and reasonably elegant.

EDIT: Just a quick note, the groove presumably runs perpendicular to the threads. This won't create the same stress concentration due to it's orientation and that it is not continuous around the circumference of the tube.
 
Hi hoski and to all that are following this thread. Firstly I believe that I might have mislead you by NOT stating that the forks are NEW & Chromed steel with a steel steerer - not as it would appear that most think they are - aluminium.

hoski - to quote :- Out of interest, why are you reluctant to use a threaded to threadless adaptor as suggested by fossyant and myself? It seems like a relatively inexpensive solution that should prove safe and reasonably elegant.

The frame-set currently has a 1" Campagnolo Chorus thread-less caged bearing headset fitted and I have no guarantee that Crown Race will transfer to the intended new forks.
The crown race on the intended forks is listed as 27mm and not the usual 26.4mm. That can be dealt with by having it shaved to the require dimension.

The intended new forks have an extremely long threaded portion that goes well below the pressure point from the wedge on a quill adapter.

I have come to the conclusion RIGHTLY or WRONGLY that the snapping off issues have all involved Aluminium and or Carbon steerer's and not steel ones.

Having carried out some research - chroming of the existing forks is coming out at £100.00+ and carriage charges on-top.

The intended chromed forks are new and under £50.00 carriage included.
 
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