Tragic fire caused by an electric bike.

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Just checked and you are right

but there are regulations - such as having to notify the Petrol Enforcement Authority and it can only be stored in certain ways

which I suppose could be checked but there does not seem to be any mention of inspections - as you said

I suppose if there was a fire then they would investigate and you could get done for it
but until then it is up to you to stick to the rules - from what I see


anyway - back to teh point - even this level of regulation is not really present for batteries for electric bikes
 

Dogtrousers

Kilometre nibbler
You can store up to 275 litres of petrol without licensing (so without anyone checking much) which would be worse than one bad battery but people just don't any more.

It's sales that really needs some tightening up.

That's about 20 4 gallon buckets. I reckon I've got space for that, especially if I stacked them in a pyramid. If course I'd put cling film or something like that over them to stop it evaporating, I'm not daft.
 
That's about 20 4 gallon buckets. I reckon I've got space for that. If course I'd put cling film or something like that over them to stop it evaporating, I'm not daft.

When stuff like this comes up I remember a fire some time ago when there was a petrol shortage

turned out that they had been storing petrol in the house so they would not run out

in glass jars

and someone was pouring it from one jug to another in the kitchen
while cooking using the GAS cooker

what could possibly go wrong!!!!
 

classic33

Leg End Member
You can store up to 275 litres of petrol without licensing (so without anyone checking much) which would be worse than one bad battery but people just don't any more.

It's sales that really needs some tightening up.
On a works premises, 8 gallons on a residential property. Big difference, especially since commercial premises weren't mentioned by anyone.
 
The trouble with these news reports is no information about the ebike itself. I am always curious about the full details of this ebike conversion. None of us are any wiser to what actual product caused this fire. As a journalist I would want to ask neighbours etc what they knew and perhaps see if they had by chance any photos of the ebike. There has been quite a lot of recalls for products that might cause fires, I think there was a Specialized battery recall and the Canyon recall has just been announced, then there are products like tumble dryers, microwaves and other products that have caused fires. You'd think with the danger of lithium-ion fires they would make the effort to inform people more about the product. As I said before many gig economy riders use battery packs well beyond their normal 500 charges, they are larger battery packs anyway typically so still have some decent capacity over 1000 charges but the cells are in a worn state more likely to fail. Someone who works 10 hours a day (maybe 2 shifts of 5 hours) 6 days a week for 50 weeks a year and does 10miles every hour on average is building up a huge amount of miles, well beyond its expected normal lifespan. That could be 25,000 miles a year. That's about a tenth of the distance of the Earth from the moon. I know from past threads of ebike fires at least 2 of the ebikes were used by gig economy riders. I just feel more information is needed otherwise people jump to the wrong conclusions.

Halfords have sold tons of ebikes under many different brands and I don't recall any ebikes from them having a recall and they have sold some fairly basic ebikes under the Assist brand with pretty low end components. The only recall I can find currently on their site related to bikes is a small child's bike which came with a gun with foam darts and the darts could break apart causing a choking hazard. I seem to remember in the past a Carrera Banshee I think it was called a basic dual suspension bike had a recall for a frame issue. Same situation with Argos. I think Decathlon have had recalls for some ebikes but it was failing frames not the electrical components.

Looking on the government recall site I can see there are various recalls for bicycles most are related to premium brands but there are two ebike kits on there. One is a direct drive ebike kit that allows for too high a speed and the other is a ebike kit based on a tongsheng motor which is the cause of fires and explosions. This is likely due to an under-spec'd battery as such motors require a very high capacity battery.

https://www.gov.uk/product-safety-alerts-reports-recalls?keywords=bicycle

https://assets.publishing.service.g...404-0123-product-recall-e-bike-conversion.pdf

I personally don't think the Tongsheng motors are unsafe but many people don't seem to understand these motors are really something like 750-1000W in performance and so need a battery that will happily give out 25-30A of current without heating up and damaging the battery cells. Looking at the picture of the example bike, the rear carrier battery looks like one of those battery packs only about 9Ah but really you would be looking at a 12-15Ah battery I would of thought to power a high current mid-drive motor, some might say more than that.
 

lazybloke

Priest of the cult of Chris Rea
Location
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People make some daft decisions when it comes to fire risk. I once arrived at a scout campsite to find a row of lit bbqs next to the gas tanks.
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