Tour De France 2021 with spoilers
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Adam4868
Guru
Lol...so what is he 78kg compared to Pogacar 76kg ? Never be able to get up a mountain 🙄
Dogtrousers
Kilometre nibbler
He may well not be able to challenge for GT GC as he is now. I don't doubt that he could, but it would probably involve turning himself into a far less interesting and impressive rider.
Adam4868
Guru
Yea he had over 30 second lead over Pogacar at the top....finished in same group.So didn't take any risks descending.Totally, but I just thought he looked slightly more ragged than the others. I would be on the brakes!
Adam4868
Guru
He said to danish TV that he didn't want to take unnecessary risks and no recon prior to the race.
Aravis
Putrid Donut
- Location
- Gloucester
The wording in bold is a bit careless. "Mass finish stage" clearly suggests a bunch finish, but I don't think that's what the numbers represent. Merckx's 18 is his total for all road stages, not just bunch finishes. But just to muddy the waters a little, I think Leducq may have 24 road stages (plus 1 ITT).I don't think there has ever been any danger of Cav coming close to winning a TT in the Tour
Mark Cavendish has the most mass finish stage wins with 33 ahead of André Darrigade and André Leducq with 22, François Faber with 19 and Eddy Merckx with 18.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour_de_France_records_and_statistics
But Mercx won all kinds of stuff - sprints, TTs, mountains, you name it.
Whether TT wins are more or less meritorious that road wins is something about which folks will have their own opinion. In the context of the record which is drawing attention at the moment I think you have to say that a stage is a stage.
If Cavendish soon finds himself in need of a new challenge, he might like to look at the record for the total number of Grand Tour stage wins. Naturally Merckx is top, on 64, but Cavendish with 51 is already well ahead of Merckx's road total. If 64 is a step too far, the record for road stages is 57, held by our old friend Mario Cipollini.
Sorry if that's a bit of a ramble. I've done my best to check that neither Cav nor Cipo spoiled my numbers by sneaking a prologue win along the way. I don't think either did.
Dogtrousers
Kilometre nibbler
I think what they mean is "mass start" or maybe "road stage". Or simply, "Not time trial". That's how I read it anyway.
Another interesting Cav fact us that he once rode in the TdF with the red number of "most combative rider". That's normally given as a consolation prize to a plucky but failed breakaway rider. But in that particular case they awarded it to the entire OPQS team.
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gavroche
Getting old but not past it
- Location
- North Wales
Miguel Indurin was no lightweight and he still won 5 TdF.
Martinsnos
Über Member
He was told not to take risks by the team apparently. It might explain his slightly odd style - ‘playing’ a bit to show he could go faster.
ColinJ
Puzzle game procrastinator!
- Location
- Todmorden - Yorks/Lancs border
There is no way that Pogacar is 76 kg... I am a bigger build, about 10 cm taller than him, and weighed only 68.5 kg when I left university! I'd guess that he is closer to 65 kg?
PS I just searched and various sites have him at 1.76 m tall and weighing 66 kg.
Adam4868
Guru
Just a guess ! Should have used Google.Still think Van Aert could be a Tour contender if he was the chosen one.From coming second in a sprint to winning like he did yesterday.
Darius_Jedburgh
Veteran
On the subject of the cut off....how is this calculated?
Dogtrousers
Kilometre nibbler
It's a percentage of the winners time. Exactly what percentage depends on two things : how fast the winner was (faster finish - bigger %); how hilly the stage is (hillier stage - bigger %).
Here's an article about it https://inrng.com/2014/07/tour-de-france-time-cut-calculation/
Darius_Jedburgh
Veteran
Thank you.
