Tour de France 2018 **SPOILERS**

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suzeworld

Veteran
Location
helsby
Ref policing the booze policy:

Apparently no official booze sales on the roadside - so they’re limited to what they carry up in their own knapsacks. Obviously not a problem to ppl with a camper van, but the vast majority of the crowd walk or cycle up
Mountain stages.
 

suzeworld

Veteran
Location
helsby
Why would Thomas say he is still riding for Froome when he seems to be stronger? Is he under team orders as Sky want to make sure Froome gets his 5th Tour? That wouldn't be fair on Thomas .

I suppose there’s some toeing the party line - but his own comment was about Froome’s stamina over 3 weeks. That’s going to be the decider. If Froome’s tired out they’ll promote G anyway because “a bird in the hand etc.... “. but G is more likely than Froome to flag in the third week.

Plus Dumoulin looks very cool and threatening to them both atm. Very exciting.

Superb stage today bodes well for the final week. Plus the mystery of what will happen on the Champs Elysée with no pure sprinters left !!
 

andrew_s

Legendary Member
Location
Gloucester
The TT is twisty and turny, and up and down a lot (incl 900m @ 10%), so previous TT form may not bear as much weight as normal.
 

jarlrmai

Veteran
Yeah it makes it interesting, TD being close to Froome means it keeps Sky honest, if it were just climbers close by Sky could be confident of Froome taking enough time out of the close climbers on a Time Trial to win but with TD being there the lead G has over him is priceless in terms of a Sky winner.

yeah the parcour for the TT is interesting but it would seem to suit all 3 riders.
 
If Thomas can maintain his current margin, I’d imagine that ought to be enough to stay ahead of Dumoulin after the TT.

But there are some big stages to come before the TT...
I agree, right now Thomas is the only one with a chance of beating Dumoulin in the TT but it's whether he'll still be in that position come Stage 20. What Sky can't afford to do is just keep the status quo. Unless Dumoulin cracks then he's the favourite for this. There's only two summit finishes left, if Froome doesn't take time on them then he's left with only a Giro style attack, same as Bardet and a couple of others. Surely though, Dumoulin won't make the same mistake twice but even if he chases, he'll have Thomas on his wheel, potentially. I guess it all depends on how either of them respond to the 2nd GT in a year and whether Thomas has a jour sans (sorry Vantage (bad day)). Stage17 is the mystery package though.
 

Beebo

Firm and Fruity
Location
Hexleybeef
I agree, right now Thomas is the only one with a chance of beating Dumoulin in the TT but it's whether he'll still be in that position come Stage 20. What Sky can't afford to do is just keep the status quo. Unless Dumoulin cracks then he's the favourite for this. There's only two summit finishes left, if Froome doesn't take time on them then he's left with only a Giro style attack, same as Bardet and a couple of others. Surely though, Dumoulin won't make the same mistake twice but even if he chases, he'll have Thomas on his wheel, potentially. I guess it all depends on how either of them respond to the 2nd GT in a year and whether Thomas has a jour sans (sorry Vantage (bad day)). Stage17 is the mystery package though.
In an ideal world Froome and Thomas would work together to break Dumoulin.
Then fight it out between themselves.
 

smutchin

Cat 6 Racer
Location
The Red Enclave
There's only two summit finishes left

Well, there's one proper summit finish but that's stage 17, which isn't normal, so who knows how that's going to pan out... Tomorrow's stage to Mende finishes with a cat 2 climb then a plateau to the finish line - 3km at 10%, steep and hard, but too short to be really selective?

The other Pyrenees stage finishes with a descent, and the climbs might not be long or steep enough to put Thomas out of contention - but given the way the race has gone so far, I'm not putting any money on any predictions.

Surely though, Dumoulin won't make the same mistake twice but even if he chases, he'll have Thomas on his wheel, potentially.

Exactly what Thomas did yesterday, and why he was able to win the stage - let Froome attack, Thomas has shown so far that he is strong enough to stay with Dumoulin and that's all he needs to do. It's a win-win situation for Sky - if Froome can attack and take enough time to take the race lead, so be it, I don't imagine Brailsford cares which one of them is wearing yellow, as long as it's one of them. All Thomas needs to do is sit on Dumoulin's wheel and not crack...

I guess it all depends on how either of them respond to the 2nd GT in a year and whether Thomas has a jour sans (sorry Vantage (bad day)). Stage17 is the mystery package though.

Dumoulin is clearly in great form but given that he does already have the Giro in his legs, in theory it should be more likely that he'll crack than Thomas.

On the other hand, this is uncharted territory for Thomas and he could well go pop on the Peyresourde à la Yates if the pace is high enough from the start of that stage. But which team has the firepower to put Sky under that kind of pressure? Not Sunweb, that's for sure.

Froome's form is hard to judge. He clearly didn't have the legs to make his attack stick yesterday and Dumoulin didn't seem to have too much problem reeling him in.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
In an ideal world Froome and Thomas would work together to break Dumoulin.
Then fight it out between themselves.
In the Alps, we've seen that: one attacks or goes with an attack, while the other sits on TD and then counterattacks after TD has dragged them up, or when TD attacks, one sits on and once the other has caught back on, they counterattack. Only the Alpe d'Huez sprint didn't go like that, but I suggest Froome's loss was his own fault for touching his brakes and staying tight around the final corner instead of following G's lead out like G claimed he expected.

So G's increasing lead has mainly been luck of how the attacks have fallen. If they keep panning out the same way in the Pyrenees, will Froome really settle for that and not attack G on the final summit? We've seen hints that he'll attack, such as attacking Martin up la Rosiere when Martin faltered, which wasn't completely conventional tactics.
 

smutchin

Cat 6 Racer
Location
The Red Enclave
I suppose the other question is what happens if Froome starts to struggle at some point and Thomas is the only one left to act as a domestique for him...
 

smutchin

Cat 6 Racer
Location
The Red Enclave
In the Alps, we've seen that: one attacks or goes with an attack, while the other sits on TD and then counterattacks after TD has dragged them up, or when TD attacks, one sits on and once the other has caught back on, they counterattack. Only the Alpe d'Huez sprint didn't go like that, but I suggest Froome's loss was his own fault for touching his brakes and staying tight around the final corner instead of following G's lead out like G claimed he expected.

Did you see Dumoulin's post-race interview? He mentioned that he had a mis-shift just at the moment Thomas started his sprint so couldn't go with him. He looked livid!
 
Froome reckons he's building nicely for week 3, which could all be a feint but

https://www.teamsky.com/article/thomas-conquers-alpe-d-huez

Froome lauded praise on teammate Thomas, and explained how the two are working together tactically at the sharp end of the race.

He told TeamSky.com: "He's ridden the race of his life so far at this Tour. It's been faultless and he fully deserves to be in yellow, having won two stages and the most iconic stage of the race Alpe d'Huez. It's a massive, massive feather in his cap.

"I think it's a dream position for us to be in - first and second on GC. It allows us to play both our cards like we did today. Yesterday G went up the road and left other riders scrambling to try and chase. Today I went up the road and G sat on Dumoulin which worked out really well in the final. It meant G had a good punch at the finish. It's just a dream scenario for us right now.

"I definitely feel as if I'm building into this race. I'm really happy with how I'm feeling since we've hit the mountains. It was always a bit of an unknown after the Giro but I'm really happy with the first sensations and looking forward to the Pyrenees next week."
 
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