Flying_Monkey
Recyclist
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- Odawa
http://velonews.competitor.com/2016...ng-and-terrorism-how-vulnerable-are-we_391234
A piece on exactly this topic from earlier this year.
Tour de France 2016 **SPOILERS**
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http://velonews.competitor.com/2016...ng-and-terrorism-how-vulnerable-are-we_391234
A piece on exactly this topic from earlier this year.
Nomadski
I Like Bikes
- Location
- LBS, Usually
Sorry if this was picked up earlier in the thread.
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news...-260570?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news...-260570?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social
SWSteve
Guru
- Location
- Bristol...ish
They seem to be able to get tiny cameras from MotoGP to broadcast live. Why can't they get something similar for le Tour
Edit: I appreciate the live stuff for MotoGP is on a closed circuit. But I don't see how they can't get cameras to work in the last 5km and broadcast live footage.
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Beebo
Firm and Fruity
- Location
- Hexleybeef
I guess they can be a bit heavier on a motorbike, even 1kg is unlikely to be felt, and they may even take power from the engine?
On a bike the unit would have to be very light and the battery would have to last the full distance.
hub Dynamo's would be the answer - or would that lead to complications with the testing for mechanical doping
Dogtrousers
Kilometre nibbler
Inrng's preview for today
http://inrng.com/2016/07/tour-de-france-stage-14-preview-villars-les-dombes/
http://inrng.com/2016/07/tour-de-france-stage-14-preview-villars-les-dombes/
HF2300
Insanity Prawn Boy
Some of the shots from GoPros have been great, but the disadvantage with broadcasting entirely from the bike mounted cameras is the shot is essentially fixed and it can also be difficult to tell what's going on. The shot @coffeejo posted (View: https://www.facebook.com/letour/videos/1050984264950952/) is great, but it tells you pretty much nothing about what's going on in the race. Were it a normal stage and a rider in the group, you'd just see a bunch of bikes around; it can be difficult to get a feel of relative positioning, who's making what move, and so on. A shot from the bike at the front of the group, you'd have no idea how that rider himself was doing or whether another rider was attacking from the rear or side, obscured by other bikes close to camera. You need the shots from outside the group, the ability to cut to wide shots or close ups and so on to tell the story.
I can't help feeling it's also a bit of a red herring, in that (from what I've seen / can work out) the number of TV motos is relatively few, far outnumbered by team vehicles, official vehicles (regulators), neutral service, gendarmerie and particularly photojournalist and print press bikes.
For the print press, taking stills from GoPro footage might be possible, though at 1080p there'd be questions of resolution and quality for many uses (4K might work); but again, they probably wouldn't tell the story in a way the press would want. For example, if Froome put in a devastating attack, the shot they would want would be a strong looking Froome jumping off a group of struggling riders. You'd only get that from a position away from the group; if the camera were fitted to one of the bikes, a crucial part of the story they were trying to tell with the photo would not be in shot.
There are two separate issues here, both of which have been brewing for a while and which perhaps came together on Thursday; crowd control on popular parts of stages, particularly the famous mountain climbs, and the behaviour and regulation of certain elements of the convoy. We still don't know whether any issue with poor moto behaviour lead to the accident. Whatever the root cause on Thursday, both these issues should be addressable or enforceable fairly straightforwardly, probably within existing structures and techniques.
It's also worth remembering that although the focus is on motos, it's cars as well - remember the Flecha - Hoogerland accident on the 2011 Tour, Girdlestone hitting his own team car, or the mechanic getting hit by an Ettixx car on this year's Tour of Flanders, among others?
I can't help feeling it's also a bit of a red herring, in that (from what I've seen / can work out) the number of TV motos is relatively few, far outnumbered by team vehicles, official vehicles (regulators), neutral service, gendarmerie and particularly photojournalist and print press bikes.
For the print press, taking stills from GoPro footage might be possible, though at 1080p there'd be questions of resolution and quality for many uses (4K might work); but again, they probably wouldn't tell the story in a way the press would want. For example, if Froome put in a devastating attack, the shot they would want would be a strong looking Froome jumping off a group of struggling riders. You'd only get that from a position away from the group; if the camera were fitted to one of the bikes, a crucial part of the story they were trying to tell with the photo would not be in shot.
There are two separate issues here, both of which have been brewing for a while and which perhaps came together on Thursday; crowd control on popular parts of stages, particularly the famous mountain climbs, and the behaviour and regulation of certain elements of the convoy. We still don't know whether any issue with poor moto behaviour lead to the accident. Whatever the root cause on Thursday, both these issues should be addressable or enforceable fairly straightforwardly, probably within existing structures and techniques.
It's also worth remembering that although the focus is on motos, it's cars as well - remember the Flecha - Hoogerland accident on the 2011 Tour, Girdlestone hitting his own team car, or the mechanic getting hit by an Ettixx car on this year's Tour of Flanders, among others?
SWSteve
Guru
- Location
- Bristol...ish
It might not have to last the distance, have it set to 'sleep' and then activate when signal from a TV truck/receiver where the footage would be wanted. Weight is probably the biggest issue, which is a shame really, but it would be good to know how much the telemetry sticks and cameras Velon force the riders to place on the bikes weigh.
coffeejo
Ælfrēd
- Location
- West Somerset
Well if you want to be so logical about it! More on-bike footage then, especially for the descents.
400bhp
Guru
I'm never sure it's people booing or people shouting frooooome?
EnPassant
Remember Remember some date in November Member
- Location
- Gloucester
I have wondered about this, but it seems to me they've got at least kilo to play with if they want to, I read recently somewhere that bikes can be made a good deal lighter than the uci minimum limit of 6.8 kg and still be perfectly safe (and in fact are). This wouldn't however address the issue of them not producing the pictures we want to see due to the fixed positioning, I'm thinking of current uses like motorsport where they use them, but it's minimal, most coverage is still from human controlled offboard cameras with the director only cutting to onboard occasionally.
I still feel the spectator control is a bigger issue in this case, without the lunatic fringe amongst them this incident wouldn't have occurred. Others accidents of course may still have.
Dogtrousers
Kilometre nibbler
Many years ago I went to watch the New York Mets baseball team. One player stepped up and the crowd all started booing. I asked my friend what was going on. "That's Mookie Wilson, they're not booing, they're mooing."
coffeejo
Ælfrēd
- Location
- West Somerset
Definitely not frooming. Actually makes me like him more as other than the odd left hook, he's not nasty or bitter in return.
