Tour de France 2016 **SPOILERS**

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The descent into Morzine is brutal in dry conditions, so in the conditions today the descending was outstanding. I think I might have even stood up at one point and cheered.
 

Foghat

Freight-train-groove-rider
Really unexpected to see Nibali looking nervous and getting dropped on a descent like that. Great by Izaguire and Pantano (once again).

Not that unexpected though - he did crash descending in the rain yesterday.....and he'd just moments beforehand seen Pantano nearly take a trip off into space. Nibali's fall yesterday may not have looked especially serious, but it's still damned painful, and when you're carrying the muscle and bone bruises and the skin removal from such falls it's normal for even brave, skilled descenders to lose a bit of confidence and reign it in slightly in such conditions.

I found Pantano's reaction to his own near off on the Joux Plane today interesting - he appeared not remotely fazed and even seemed to use the adrenalin rush from it to re-catch and pass Nibali.

The Joux Plane was the first big Alpine descent I ever did, and Pantano's wayward moment brought back fun memories. My friend had taken over the lead at one point, and on a different left-hand bend lower down he went off the road just like Pantano (further off in fact, but we had dry roads so were going faster). Being on our first trip to the Alps, as well as very young and excitedly racing each other down, I was a bit too close and followed him off, but luckily the verge was forgiving and we survived intact, not even needing to put a foot down as far as I can remember. And just like Pantano we were spurred on by our near miss, although my descending since became more measured while still pretty full on.
 
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Rohloff_Brompton_Rider

Formerly just_fixed
Has this been the least raced Tdf over the last few years? Lots of happy top ten riders not willing to risk places to try and win
Hmmm,
I seem to remember some team that used Kryptonite to destroy mere mortals. I'm pretty sure they (he) dominated the LtdF for best part of a decade. But I'm getting old so maybe a figment of my imagination.

Anyone else see the Armstrong film on Netflix...nothing new but still good to watch.
 

andrew_s

Legendary Member
Location
Gloucester
My only remaining hope is that Sky don't repeat the formation finish, which I find disrespectful. Froome has a 4 minute lead, and he should win by that margin, not 2½ minutes.
Last year was officially a wet finish, which meant they took the times on the first passage of the finish line, with the 10 laps of the Champs being neutralised.
I also seem to remember that traditional is a post-finish lap of honour, and last year there was some reason that didn't happen, possibly something to do with a car that got shot by the police at the Arc de Triomphe, and the circuit of the roundabout being replaced by a U-turn.
 

Aravis

Putrid Donut
Location
Gloucester
Last year was officially a wet finish, which meant they took the times on the first passage of the finish line, with the 10 laps of the Champs being neutralised.
This is quite correct. I was thinking of 2013, when everyone in the Sky team conceded almost a minute because they slowed down to finish in formation in a group separate from everyone else. The detailed results show that the field was well split up that day, and the Sky riders were a long way from being last, but it does look as though they'd decided in advance to allow themselves to be dropped and to lose time. Winning the Tour is about fighting tooth and nail over practically every second for three weeks, and giving a chunk of time away at the end for the sake of a photo opportunity felt completely wrong.

We'll see what happens tomorrow!
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
*published in 2012 so he was on about a succession of Tours where there was no racing,
Including a succession of tours where there's no winner...

I don't think many GC races go to the final day but this one barely seemed to get started.
 

Foghat

Freight-train-groove-rider
The descent into Morzine is brutal in dry conditions

Imagine how brutal it was in 1988 when I first did it and it was rough as hell in a lot of places but still really fast. I remember watching Roche get away from Delgado down there in '87, in another gripping Joux Plane episode. We stayed in the youth hostel at the foot of the descent by a sharp left turn into Morzine - I wonder if it's still there.....

Nice smooth surface now it seems. Still brutal as you say, though.
 
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Louch

105% knowledge on 105
Hmmm,
I seem to remember some team that used Kryptonite to destroy mere mortals. I'm pretty sure they (he) dominated the LtdF for best part of a decade. But I'm getting old so maybe a figment of my imagination.

Anyone else see the Armstrong film on Netflix...nothing new but still good to watch.
They weren't the only team with Krponite, they just used it better than others. Maybe if superman had died he woud have the same compassion for him the likes of Pantani has, another decent documentary on nEtflix. Shame the clean spirit one is gone as I really enjoyed that one and don't have the dirty taint through it
 
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