Tour de France 2012 (with SPOILERS)

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Really?
 

Kiwiavenger

im a little tea pot
The crash was before the 3 k to go marker but the comissiare let them finish with the same time as the peloton as the leaders where in side 3k to go.

Shame about the breakaway, would have loved to see the plucky buggers get a stage win!

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That's right - looks as if Cav's horrendous crash got them to change their approach.
Why, if the Green jersey isn't a priority for himself or the team, is Cavendish in the line-up? Or Eisel? And why is Boasson Hagen flogging himself at the sharp end of stages that don't, in the larger scheme of things, matter?
BMC, in comparison, seem quietly focussed on their prime objective.
 

Noodley

Guest
Today's not-very-interesting fact is that it is Mrs Noodley's birthday today, and she also retires today after over 25 years in the Police.

She shares a birthday with Yannick Talabardon of Saur-Sojasun who, like Mrs Noodley, is not riding the Tour de France this year.
 

raindog

er.....
Location
France
Why, if the Green jersey isn't a priority for himself or the team, is Cavendish in the line-up? Or Eisel? And why is Boasson Hagen flogging himself at the sharp end of stages that don't, in the larger scheme of things, matter?
BMC, in comparison, seem quietly focussed on their prime objective.
Cav is Sky's sprinter, why shouldn't he be in the team? Eisel looks after Cav and Eddy joins them both at the end of a sprint stage. If it's an uphill sprint or Cav isn't there, then Eddy goes for the win. The rest of the team look after Brad.
I can't see the problem. Or perhaps I've misunderstood you.
 

yello

Guest
She shares a birthday with Yannick Talabardon of Saur-Sojasun who, like Mrs Noodley, is not riding the Tour de France this year.

Congratulations...... that is deeply uninteresting.;)

However, the fact it's your misses' birthday is not (uninteresting) Happy birthday to Mrs Noodley.
 

yello

Guest
The Sky change of approach, as I read it, was about the whole team and not just Cavendish. Whilst it did look like a train, I think they were driving the pace to keep all of the players out of trouble.

"If you're not at the front you run the risk not only of crashing but also of losing time if you're caught behind a crash. After the crashes yesterday, we had a good talk this morning as a team and really coordinated everything. We decided to take it on from 30k out and really ride hard," Brailsford explained. "Keeping out of trouble was the objective as well as getting Mark into the front of the race for the last kilometre."

If it was meant to be Cavendish's train then I think it came off the tracks tbh. Arguably, and perhaps ironically, the crash disrupted it (not that is disrupted Lotto and Greipel) but he ended up with too much to do. I thought EBH went too hard too soon (perhaps thinking the breakaway guy would go the distance) and Cavendish looked spent in the final 100m. He faded, or gave up, in the last 10.

It's a stage for him today I hope. Fingers crossed it all comes together, I think he needs a boost after the last couple of days.
 

martint235

Dog on a bike
Location
Welling
He was ready to go medieval on Tom Veelers ass:laugh: Looking at the ITV4 close ups it looked like Farrar was as much to blame as anyone.
I thought it was Petacchi's fault more than anyone's. He was the one who changed his line slightly which made Farrar brake.
 

PpPete

Legendary Member
Location
Chandler's Ford
The Sky change of approach, as I read it, was about the whole team and not just Cavendish. Whilst it did look like a train, I think they were driving the pace to keep all of the players out of trouble.


If it was meant to be Cavendish's train then I think it came off the tracks tbh. Arguably, and perhaps ironically, the crash disrupted it (not that is disrupted Lotto and Greipel) but he ended up with too much to do. I thought EBH went too hard too soon (perhaps thinking the breakaway guy would go the distance) and Cavendish looked spent in the final 100m. He faded, or gave up, in the last 10.

It's a stage for him today I hope. Fingers crossed it all comes together, I think he needs a boost after the last couple of days.

In the sense that it got Cav and the rest of the team through those final pinch points unscathed I think the train succeeded. With Bernie still a bit sore from previous day they were never going to be able to give him an HTC style lead-out to 300 metres.
 

PpPete

Legendary Member
Location
Chandler's Ford
Why, if the Green jersey isn't a priority for himself or the team, is Cavendish in the line-up? Or Eisel? And why is Boasson Hagen flogging himself at the sharp end of stages that don't, in the larger scheme of things, matter?
BMC, in comparison, seem quietly focussed on their prime objective.

Stage wins matter just as much as the Green Jersey.
 

Paul_L

Über Member
Stage wins matter just as much as the Green Jersey.

agree with that. This year doesn't look like a Cav friendly race. Lots in inclines towards the end of sprint stages, which could scupper a green jersey bid but he's still in with a shout for 2 or 3 stage wins, which would still be a brilliant achievement.

He his however, chasing intermediate sprint points, which is slightly conflicting. Unless that's just to keep himself there or there abouts, in the event of a problem with Sagan, Goss etc.
 

lukesdad

Guest
Today's not-very-interesting fact is that it is Mrs Noodley's birthday today, and she also retires today after over 25 years in the Police.

She shares a birthday with Yannick Talabardon of Saur-Sojasun who, like Mrs Noodley, is not riding the Tour de France this year.
Hope she has a lovely day noods, and you be extra special to her, YER HEAR !!! :hugs:
 

yello

Guest
In the sense that it got Cav and the rest of the team through those final pinch points unscathed I think the train succeeded.

I agree entirely but it wasn't what I said! ;) I said I thought it failed IF it was intended to be solely a train for Cavendish (a soul train :blush: ) but I don't suspect for a moment that that was it's intention. I never expected for a moment for a Sky train to deliver Cavendish to the 300m mark.

Imo, yesterday's finish wasn't really one for Cavendish and I reckon Griepel will have the upper hand in a long straight drag every time. Whilst Cavendish may be faster over a short distance, Griepel can hold the power for longer. Incidentally, I also reckon it wasn't a finish that suited Sagan either, even if he had been there. The more I see of Sagan, the more I build a picture of his relative strengths,

Goss is quietly notching up the points. Rich's shout might well come good yet.
 
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