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yello

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It's also worth remembering that Contador's "positive" test for clenbuterol was 400 times below WADA limits - i.e. if he was in another sport, he could have had 399 times the amount in his blood and that would have been perfectly legal.

Sorry to be a picky pain in the arse but that's not quite true. There is no lower limit for the substance in an individual's blood. It really is a case of if it's there, in any amount, then that's a postive.


The limit applies to the testing lab. To be WADA approved, a lab has to be able to detect clenbutorol down to a certain level. The fact that this particular lab has a more sensitive testing method/equipment does not mean that it's not a valid test - it's still a positive.


One might question how it was that Contador's samples ended up at that particular lab. There's a story there.
 

mangaman

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Sorry to be a picky pain in the arse but that's not quite true. There is no lower limit for the substance in an individual's blood. It really is a case of if it's there, in any amount, then that's a postive.


The limit applies to the testing lab. To be WADA approved, a lab has to be able to detect clenbutorol down to a certain level. The fact that this particular lab has a more sensitive testing method/equipment does not mean that it's not a valid test - it's still a positive.


One might question how it was that Contador's samples ended up at that particular lab. There's a story there.

This is true up to a point - although with such tiny figures false positives for lab tests increase dramatically.

If it was present, he has to provide an excuse as the concentration should be 0%

His defence (the meat one) seems to suggest that he accepts the results as accurate - ie he's not trying to claim lab error and that there was no clenbutorol - which would have been a plausible defence strategy. This in itself is interesting - he seems to be admitting he had it in his body.

The whole meat thing lacks any evidence.

Clenbuterol is not supposed to be present in cows in Spain - if he really wanted to prove his innocence, he would surely name the friend that bought the meat. Get the friend to say where they got it from. And look for clenbutorol in the herd. That would be a start - if the whole farm was found to be using it on their cattle, and he could produce a friend who was shown to have crossed the Franco-Hispanic border at the time, it would be convincing.

To just make woolly denials seems suspicious.
 
Rugby mystifies me. A certain England forward seems to have grown a bigger jawbone over the last fifteen years.


Yeah, I've wondered that, too!
 

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MartinC

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There is no lower limit for the substance in an individual's blood. It really is a case of if it's there, in any amount, then that's a postive.


Yes, correct, it's an absolute offence. One molecule of clenbuterol in your blood sample no matter how it got there is enough to make you guilty. This the point - when you have tests as sensitive as there are now, for a zero level, for substance that we know exists in the food chain then you'll get results that are impossible to arbitrate fairly and you just bring the whole regime into disrepute.
 

John the Monkey

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Crewe
... that we know exists in the food chain then you'll get results that are impossible to arbitrate fairly and you just bring the whole regime into disrepute.

I'm not sure about this - I keep seeing people saying it, but am fairly sure that a recent EU study concluded that it wasn't - I believe the situation to be different in China.
 

andrew_s

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I'm not sure about this - I keep seeing people saying it, but am fairly sure that a recent EU study concluded that it wasn't - I believe the situation to be different in China.
well, to put my Contador apologist hat on,
It's perfectly possible to get far larger amounts of clenbuterol in the system by eating contaminated food
Clenbuterol may be banned, but illegal use in farming continues. There was a vet arrested for trafficking in it (in Spain) more recently than the Contador bust.
Testing is not 100% - there were 42,000 tests over the last 2 years, and I'll lay odds that lots more cattle than that were slaughtered.
Are farmers who do dope their cattle just avoiding the tests by stooping the doping 2 or 3 weeks before slaughter? The tests are for public health, not cheating, so there isn't any pre-slaughter testing.
 
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