cyberknight
As long as I breathe, I attack.
- Location
- Land of confusion
Tirreno-Adriatico!!!
- Thread starter Monsieur Remings
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Pedrosanchezo
Veteran
- Location
- Perthshire, scotland
Best racing of 2014 IMO. Bertie looks impressive. He's so enjoyable to watch in his element. Fingers crossed he performs better at TDF 2014 than last years efforts.
Enjoyed this race.
Enjoyed this race.
Pedrosanchezo
Veteran
- Location
- Perthshire, scotland
Once a cheat always a cheat?
400bhp
Guru
I hope he now isn't.
But, given that he never fessed up before, does lead to some doubts.
Pedrosanchezo
Veteran
- Location
- Perthshire, scotland
Then as previously noted, we should just be sceptical of every stage winning performance. At some point we are going to have to let go of the doubt and replace it with a more optimistic POV.
Pro Tour Punditry
Guru
Nope, once an unrepentant cheat always a cheat
Well.....today he caught the break, then he towed it, then he punched away from it. Possible I suppose but with beefy I find it hard to suspend disbelief.
400bhp
Guru
By previous cheats who have never admitted so. Damn right we should be sceptical.
Pro Tour Punditry
Guru
Horseshít. Bertie was dirty, he denied it and made up some crap and is unrepentant. He might be riding clean, but he's a cheat. I'm quite happy to apply the same to others where they have evident they are unrepentant - and more than capable of making my mind up about riders rather than taking a "let's believe them all" approach.
Flying_Monkey
Recyclist
- Location
- Odawa
I have much the same feelings about Contador as I do about Valverde. Fantastic rider, tactically astute and very strong, but a liar and a cheat too. I like him animating races, but never really happy to see him win. Great ride by Ben King to hold on for third. I also thought Mikel Nieve has done a great job for Sky after having to step up when Porte pulled out. It's odd to be disappointed by someone who's in a podium place, but I was hoping that Quintana would be there to challenge Contador today. I hope he's just on an upward trajectory towards the GTs. Sad for Kwiatkowski, but it seems that despite being able to put in superb day-race and short stage race performances, he's far from the finished article in longer races.
Pedrosanchezo
Veteran
- Location
- Perthshire, scotland
It's tired and frustrating that EVERY performance that doesn't match the previous month, season or years performance automatically becomes suspicious. Wen't through the same arguments with Horner - who is still finishing hard climb stages with the top climbers!
You realise between some of your heroes and villains the difference could simply be that one was caught and the other wasn't? With the same scepticism one could be entirely suspicious of Team Sky and their rise to the best GC team (arguably) in the pro tour. Many do. If it is the lack of a positive test in Team sky's ranks that stops this then look no further than the likes of Armstrong who went for 15+ years before being outed.
Cut it black and white if you like but the world isn't like that.
You might find it fun but i'm so over hearing how much a cheat someone is every single race they compete in or, i despair, win!
How many times can the same conversation be had? Why not start a "ex/current dopers winning races" thread so they can be hung drawn and quartered in a place more suitable instead of every race thread January to December.
Pro Tour Punditry
Guru
It's nothing to do with the lack of a positive test; Contador had a positive test. And he's unrepentant about his doping. That's a fact, nothing "between black and white" about it.
And since you mention Horner, he's also a doper.
If you are going to be reading posts about Racing then expect me to continue to highlight unrepentant dopers.
And since you mention Horner, he's also a doper.
If you are going to be reading posts about Racing then expect me to continue to highlight unrepentant dopers.
thom
____
- Location
- The Borough
Guys, we don't need to start an argument here - I'm objecting to posts made that have no reference to this particular event.
smutchin
Cat 6 Racer
- Location
- The Red Enclave
It's the shamelessness and lack of remorse that affects my view of him. Same as Vino and Valverde - very exciting riders to watch but always tainted. I'm not suspicious of his performance in T-A because I believe (maybe naively, over-optimistically) that he's probably riding clean now, but I still can't warm to him as a person. (Basically, I'm agreeing with what FM said.)
Anyway, there's no doubt that he's a supremely talented tactical rider - his awareness of how to manage a race is second to none. This is where the limits of Quintana's experience showed in T-A.
