Those Electric Cigarette Thingys

[Dave the Smeghead]

You're right. Smokers are treated rather badly in general.

So if you're a cyclist and a smoker you should basically turn up your toes right now!

 

[Cubist]

There are EU moves afoot to have e cigs, especially the rechargeable ones with separate refillable tanks banned, or at least regulated out of existence. It will come as no surprise that the major stakeholders in this move are the tobacco companies. They have sunk their r and d into the disposable and replaceable cartridge type devices ( the ones that actually look like cigarettes)

I suspect if you could smell nicotine in the air around your vaping colleague, that he had nipped outside for a real fag. The vapour from mine is completely odourless. I use it in a closed office about 12x12 and cannot smell it.

 

[welsh dragon]

I dont think that is what roadrider 48 was saying, just that smokers do have a hard time. Being a cyclist wasn't mentioned. Taking up cycling and trying stop smoking are both going to make you fitter, and hopefully you won't suffer long time illness.

The fact is, I'm surprised smokers aren't compelled to wear bells around they're necks to warn everyone that a smoker is nearby.

 

[Booyaa]

There are EU moves afoot to have e cigs, especially the rechargeable ones with separate refillable tanks banned, or at least regulated out of existence. It will come as no surprise that the major stakeholders in this move are the tobacco companies. They have sunk their r and d into the disposable and replaceable cartridge type devices ( the ones that actually look like cigarettes)

I suspect if you could smell nicotine in the air around your vaping colleague, that he had nipped outside for a real fag. The vapour from mine is completely odourless. I use it in a closed office about 12x12 and cannot smell it.

Smokers rarely smell how disgusting the smoke actually smells. Similar could be true for vapers.

 

[Dogtrousers]

A guy that visits our office once or twice per week is trying to give up smoking (fair play to him) but he is using those electric cigarette things to help him.
Whilst he was in earlier this week I came back into the office and it stank - really rank and very nicotiney - quite horrible.
The question is is this doing any harm to the rest of us?
I have never smoked and have no intention of ever doing so, and could do without "passive electronic cigarette smoking".

Is he using it in the office? I doubt it's doing you any harm but it's a bit impolite - in the way that eating a smelly hot meal would be.

They are marketed as an alternative to smoking, not a cessation aid, because there's not been adequate testing on them. There are also those who consider them dangerous on principle because they "normalise" smoking. Although this latter line of reasoning seems to me to come from the "it must be so, it stands to reason" school of thinking.

 

[Peteaud]

Smokers rarely smell how disgusting the smoke actually smells. Similar could be true for vapers.

As an Ex smoker (of Old Holburn), i still like the smell, i just keep well away in case i get tempted.

Stale smoke is vile though.

 

[Dave the Smeghead]

There was definitely a smell - an unpleasant smell.
All I want to know is this potentially damaging to those of us that don't smoke?

Not that it is probably going To matter long term for me - both parents smoked back the 70s and 80s when I was a child and teenager, and I have worked in construction post apprenticeship and probably drilled through more asbestos than you could shake a stick at. One of those or a combination of both will get me in the end. Thats the one thing about life - it is 100% fatal.

 

[welsh dragon]

Unclean. Unclean. Make way for the unclean smoker.

 

[Booyaa]

As an Ex smoker (of Old Holburn), i still like the smell, i just keep well away in case i get tempted.

Stale smoke is vile though.

That's a fair point actually, sometimes, usually on my way home after a long day of work, I pass people smoking on the street and have a real hankering for a cig, my will remains strong though. Stale smoke is minging though.

 

[Dave the Smeghead]

I dont think that is what roadrider 48 was saying, just that smokers do have a hard time. Being a cyclist wasn't mentioned. Taking up cycling and trying stop smoking are both going to make you fitter, and hopefully you won't suffer long time illness.

The fact is, I'm surprised smokers aren't compelled to wear bells around they're necks to warn everyone that a smoker is nearby.

I was, in potentially a humourous way (that obviously failed), just comparing the lot of a smoker in the work environment with a cyclist fighting (and possibly dying) for space on our city streets commuting to and from work.

I will get my coat - and clip on shoes!

 

[welsh dragon]

Im lucky. I was the only one who smoked in my immediate family, so I no longer come into contact with smokers, however there are times when I could almost sell my own mother for just one cigarette. Luckily rhe feeling pases very quickly

 

[welsh dragon]

I was, in potentially a humourous way (that obviously failed), just comparing the lot of a smoker in the work environment with a cyclist fighting (and possibly dying) for space on our city streets commuting to and from work.

I will get my coat - and clip on shoes!

No need to get your coat. See the smiley at the end of my comment?

 

[Simmer]

With the refillable e-cigs the cheap liquids can smell really rank. You also get to choose the amount of nicotine it contains, the high nicotine cheap market liquid really is vile. I used then for a few months gradually reducing the nicotine to zero "juice". That's when I realised the only addiction left was habitual and not physical, I then stopped completely.

I don't think they should be banned but there should be some control on the manufacture, especially around the battery.

 

[ufkacbln]

I think the answer is in regulation....


It is difficult to know what you are getting without some sort of regulation and standards.


The MHRA has a document on this, this is an excerpt: (NCP = Nicotine containing product)

The government accepted the advice of the CHM and its expert group, which concluded that NCPs currently on the market do not meet appropriate standards of safety, quality and efficacy. Testing data confirm that nicotine levels can vary considerably from the labelled content and the amount of nicotine per product can differ from batch to batch. In terms of how well NCPs work, there can be widely differing amounts of nicotine from the same format with one form delivering what could be an effective therapeutic dose, another a 'placebo' dose. With regards to safety, toxic elements may be included at unexpectedly high doses which could produce adverse effects, particularly in vulnerable patient groups.

Regulating these products would improve them and also make them safer.

 

[welsh dragon]

I think everyone would agree that regulation is needed. Its important to know what is in these things, otherwise they could be just as bad as ordinary cigarettes.