This Video Could Save YOUR Life?
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MontyVeda
a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll
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- Lancaster... the little city.
Maybe you should write to him?
Maybe you should also be aware that educational videos do not tend to educate on everything in one fell swoop.
winjim
Straddle the line, discord and rhyme
Why would I write to him? I'm debating on this forum, nothing more.
Don't you think, in a video that advocates shared responsibility, that it would be reasonable to see evidence of at least some of that responsibility being taken by those people represented by the film makers?
And to get back to the point you made about squabbling, can you understand why people are upset by this? You don't have to agree with them to understand.
MontyVeda
a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll
- Location
- Lancaster... the little city.
Because you stated that you'd be interested to know his thoughts regarding other safety measures not mentioned in the video (post #35)... you could ask me or other members of the forum but my guess is as good as theirs.
I think a video that is aimed at cyclists might not include information aimed at lorry drivers and the designer/manufacturers of their vehicles... it just includes information relevant to the target group. Just in the same way the videos showing Willy the Weasel running out from behind an ice cream van didn't include information about stopping distances and the benefits of ABS brakes.
growingvegetables
Guru
- Location
- Leeds
On the evidence of this thread? Utter total rubbish.
I don't have a particular problem with the advice, nor with following it. Indeed, I am probably even MORE careful than the driver advises; in addition, I make damn sure I look out for lorry drivers' interests, to "help them on their way", when I can show that small courtesy and recognition of THEIR courtesy and care.
That has not prevented me being on the receiving end of some atrociously dangerous driving by some truck drivers who just DGAF. The dimwit in an artic who pulled a desperately close, desperately fast (to bust the red lights), left hook on me on a roundabout.
Second unrelated point. How credible would notional cyclist Z's "educational" video be? Z argues that truck drivers must adjust their driving to cyclists
- who don't have mirrors, and therefore can't be expected to know what is behind them; (
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- who wear extra large blinkers on their helmets, and therefore can't be expected to know what is beside them. So they don't get distracted by pretty girls on the pavement; (
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- or who wear headphones, and therefore can't be expected to hear what's going on behind them; (
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. And he wouldn't last long on the forum.Ahem - how different is that from the lorry driver?
snorri
Legendary Member
- Location
- East coast, up a bit.
The video featured in the OP sends out more than one message to its target audience, one stronger than the other depending on your point of view
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mick1836
Über Member
- Location
- Costa Blanca Spain
simple fact is... some cyclists don't want to be given advice about how to ride a bike... especially by a lorry driver. Some cyclists are infallible in their approach to road safety and anyone who suggests otherwise is an idiot in need of a jolly good talking to. The same people probably snip the 'keep away from fire' label out of their jimjams because it's the fire's responsibility to keep away from them.
Think I'd prefer to live and take and act on ANY advice given and LIVE.
newfhouse
Resolutely on topic
Nobody is saying that cyclists and pedestrians shouldn't be aware of the dangers presented by larger vehicles. The point - my point at least - is that attempting to scare the vulnerable out of the way so that the big powerful lorry can make progress is simply the wrong message. Again, if your ability to see those you wish to share public space with is so poor that you present a danger it is your responsibility to improve it to a safe level. If that means mirrors, cameras, co-drivers that's fine with me.springs to mind regarding the response given by some members, ok, if a large vehicle driver doesn't see you and kill's you, no doubt your loved one's and the lawyers will be happy claiming ££££££'s in compensation?
Think I'd prefer to live and take and act on ANY advice given and LIVE.
As an aside, the way you choose to illustrate your point that lorries kill is distasteful. Please stop blaming the victims.
winjim
Straddle the line, discord and rhyme
The common factor in this debate is that everybody acknowledges the danger that these vehicles present, and the need to be careful when cycling near them. Nobody is suggesting that one should ride recklessly in the vicinity of an HGV. It seems that you do not understand the point people are trying to make. I did try to explain it a few posts back, sorry if I wasn't very clear.springs to mind regarding the response given by some members, ok, if a large vehicle driver doesn't see you and kill's you, no doubt your loved one's and the lawyers will be happy claiming ££££££'s in compensation?
Think I'd prefer to live and take and act on ANY advice given and LIVE.
jefmcg
Guru
I was once in the shared HGV, bus, cycle, taxi lane on the A3 (yeah, what genius thought that was a good idea?). Anyway, I was heading downhill at about 30mph in a 40mph section, with traffic in all lanes, with an semi/artic on my tail, honking his horn for me to get out of his way. According to this video I should have given him a little wave and moved into the gutter. There is no suggestion that a cyclist should do anything under those circumstance than get out of the way.
snorri
Legendary Member
- Location
- East coast, up a bit.
You are being a bit obtuse here, who do you consider these three to represent? I see them as government which is failing to create a safer environment for all road users.
