This tiny submarine 2.4 miles under the sea, visiting the relics of RMS Titanic. Can it be found and the crew saved before the air runs out?

[Profpointy]

I really think governments have better things to be doing with their time than worrying about a problem (the certification of deep sea submersibles) that has cost 5 lives this year. Maybe this decade. Maybe this century, I dunno.

To put that into some kind of perspective, there were 1,695 road fatalities in the UK alone in 2022. That's just under 5 a day. Roughly the same. One highly newsworthy incident does not mean that Something Must Be Done.

An expensive sub failed and some people were killed. Very sad. But not a cause for any policy change. Maybe when they are being lost at the rate of one a week or one a day ... then it will get to compete with other things in the Something Must Be Done queue.

Spot on !

Some years back various do-gooders aided and abetted by BBC's radio 4 were creating a minor hoo ha because it was perfectly legal to own the large dangerous pythons (anaconda, burmese & carpet python, boa constrictor) and I'm not certain but I think there was a law. Given the tiny handful who keep such ridiculous creatures and that as far as I'm aware not a single person has been eaten by one in the UK it seemed a colossal nonsense to waste any time and ink worrying about the (non-) issue

I should add, it might be reasonable to restrict trade and ownership of rare animals, but not sure you really need too much restriction on dangerous animals in practice, that wouldn't already be covered by generic health and safety rules

 

[Mad Doug Biker]

Very very unlikely.

The public knows the risks now, so I guess certification will be mandated all across international waters, but even if in future there was an uncertified one, nobody would use it.

I didn't mean submarines specifically, I just meant in general.
There must have been others involved other than Mr Rush and who knows, they might have other mad - cap ideas themselves.

But regardless of who is responsible, all anyone will have to do is wait a few years for most to forget and... (Insert your new venture here).

 

[Jameshow]

I didn't mean submarines specifically, I just meant in general.
There must have been others involved other than Mr Rush and who knows, they might have other mad - cap ideas themselves.

But regardless of who is responsible, all anyone will have to do is wait a few years for most to forget and... (Insert your new venture here).

Probably not for a while in the same industry..!

 

[icowden]

On the Thai one, never really understood why they went so far into it. I understand they were sheltering from rain?. If that happens out in town, I'll stand in a shop doorway, not venture into the basement....

From googling it appears that they did a sort of regular initiation ceremony where the boys would run through the cave system and mark their names at the end. Unfortunately it started raining...

It’s unclear why the boys, aged 11 to 16 years old, and their 25-year-old coach entered the 10-kilometre long cave, but, according to Sky News, it was part of an initiation process for local young men.

Ben Reymenants, who was involved in the rescue mission, told Sky News that the group left their belongings at the entrance of the cavern “before wading in and trying to go to the end of the tunnel, sort of like an initiation for local young boys to… write your name on the wall and make it back.”

 

[Mad Doug Biker]

Probably not for a while in the same industry..!

That's what I said. Wait long enough for most to forget or for a new 'generation' to appear and...

 

[Bonefish Blues]

That's what I said. Wait long enough for most to forget or for a new 'generation' to appear and...

And nothing, I'd say, least not in any area that has had global coverage in this way since the advent of t'internet.

 

[Mad Doug Biker]

And nothing, I'd say, least not in any area that has had global coverage in this way since the advent of t'internet.

Hopefully you are right and these people will have learned their lesson. It just takes one though and I have images of someone finding something new to lure people with.

Oh and I never specifically said submersibles, I just meant generally!

 

[Bonefish Blues]

Hopefully you are right and these people will have learned their lesson. It just takes one though and I have images of someone finding something new to lure people with.

Oh and I never specifically said submersibles, I just meant generally!

You'll note I broadened my response to recognise this - 'any area'.

 

[Dogtrousers]

And nothing, I'd say, least not in any area that has had global coverage in this way since the advent of t'internet.

It was a guaranteed hit story.

Instant coverage of:
The culturally/historically fascinating Titanic
Jeopardy ... will they find them, won't they.
Celebrity ... or at least very wealthy people who can quickly be elevated to celebrity
A small number of people, so we can see them as individuals. But as they are billionaires/celebs we see them as "other" so it's not too upsetting.
While it's sad, it doesn't personally threaten us (like war/economy/climate) or challenge our own morality (like migrants) (Hope that's not too Nacarish)
The opportunity to be judgmental: That rotter, cutting safety corners. Those billionaires with more money than sense.

They were talking about it everywhere. Even on cycling forums, would you believe?

 

[Mad Doug Biker]

You'll note I broadened my response to recognise this - 'any area'.

Hoisted by my own petard and not paying due attention there and responding in a generalised message to several posts. ☺️

 

[Bonefish Blues]

It was a guaranteed hit story.

They were talking about it everywhere. Even on cycling forums, would you believe?

There are cycling forums? You're pooping me?

 

[Reynard]

I really think governments have better things to be doing with their time than worrying about a problem (the certification of deep sea submersibles) that has cost 5 lives this year. Maybe this decade. Maybe this century, I dunno.

To put that into some kind of perspective, there were 1,695 road fatalities in the UK alone in 2022. That's just under 5 a day. Roughly the same. One highly newsworthy incident does not mean that Something Must Be Done.

An expensive sub failed and some people were killed. Very sad. But not a cause for any policy change. Maybe when they are being lost at the rate of one a week or one a day ... then it will get to compete with other things in the Something Must Be Done queue.

AFAIK, the certification of marine vessels is done by independent bodies rather than by government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_classification_society

 

[Reynard]

Said the man in charge of teleporters and hyperspace tech.

As @captain nemo1701 has said, the first has been achieved albeit at a sub-atomic level, and the maths says that the latter could potentially happen.

Just because we don't have the tech *now* doesn't mean it can't be done at some point in the future.

Although IIRC the transport of the proton actually created a duplicate rather than moving it from one place to another, so that certainly raises a rather interesting conundrum.

 

[PK99]

A lot of it is simply basic science & engineering - that was ignored in the pursuit of profit.

To quote Montgomery Scott, ye cannae change the laws of physics...

I'm not sure it was for profit.
More like it was an excess of hubris.
He believed his ideas were better.
He believed his engineering was better.
He was wrong.

 

[Mad Doug Biker]

Although IIRC the transport of the proton actually created a duplicate rather than moving it from one place to another, so that certainly raises a rather interesting conundrum.

This reminds me of the time travel thread again and the potential paradoxes, etc.