The Road Maniac and Pathetic Punishment Thread

[grldtnr]

I am not of a 'learned' mind , but seems pretty well conclusive of being found guilty of the more serious charge, the driver struck someone ,so it was dangerous driving.
The law is an ass ,as they say.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

These are really ridiculous -

but the ones that REALLY make me mad ar ethe ones where someone gets a load of points on their license
then does it again and pleads "terrible problems honest you judgeship"
and hence gets let off a ban or prison


then shortly after gets caught again - so clearly not driving carefully or anything

and then gets let off the ban again due to the same problems


Nah mate - you go loads of points
did it again and got away without a ban
so did it again

go straight to theban - do not pass go - and pay a shed load of dosh as well
if you are short of cash then sell the car - you won;t ben needing it for a few years!

sometime it is a celebrity - so clearly rich and could afford a taxi to the Premier League clubs training session!!

 

[Alex321]

Once more unto the breach...

https://road.cc/content/news/driver-plows-through-junction-hits-cyclist-keeps-licence-312857

This one got away with it by a combination of prosecution accepting a guilty plea to a lesser offence, and the timing, since the offence of causing serious injury by careless driving didn't exist until a few months after this offence occurred. The offence happened in April 2022, the offence was only created in June 2022.

Which means they only pled guilty to careless or inconsiderate driving, which carries 3-9 points. If it had happened after 28/06/2022, then it would have been causing serious injury by careless or inconsiderate driving, which is mandatory disqualification, and 3-11 points.

Why the prosecution accepted the lesser crime, I do not know. From the reports it appears to be clearly dangerous rather than careless.

 

[Alex321]

These are really ridiculous -

but the ones that REALLY make me mad ar ethe ones where someone gets a load of points on their license
then does it again and pleads "terrible problems honest you judgeship"
and hence gets let off a ban or prison


then shortly after gets caught again - so clearly not driving carefully or anything

and then gets let off the ban again due to the same problems

That should never happen. One of the rules for "exceptional hardship" is that you cannot use the same circumstances again within 3 years.

 

[grldtnr]

This one got away with it by a combination of prosecution accepting a guilty plea to a lesser offence, and the timing, since the offence of causing serious injury by careless driving didn't exist until a few months after this offence occurred. The offence happened in April 2022, the offence was only created in June 2022.

Which means they only pled guilty to careless or inconsiderate driving, which carries 3-9 points. If it had happened after 28/06/2022, then it would have been causing serious injury by careless or inconsiderate driving, which is mandatory disqualification, and 3-11 points.

Why the prosecution accepted the lesser crime, I do not know. From the reports it appears to be clearly dangerous rather than careless.

Perhaps a member of the 'funny handshake' club? Certainly if I was on the 'bench', I'd take a different view , if they have harmed someone , they will lose their licence , automatically.
There are people who dispute that the standard of driving isn't of a poor standard in this country..... I beg to differ , it's a rareity to see a standard that would see these drivers pass a driving test,
That's the standard I set myself, I wish to maintain that high standard every time I drive or ride , plainly that isn't what I see out there everyday, it is an appalling low standard, perhaps encouraged to some extent by the need to 'make progress' as stipulated in the driving tests.

 

[Drago]

Perhaps a member of the 'funny handshake' club?

I'm a member of that club and over the years I've seen members censured and even thrown out for drink driving convictions. The idea it helps you out with that sort of sheet is laughable.

 

[Alex321]

Perhaps a member of the 'funny handshake' club? Certainly if I was on the 'bench', I'd take a different view , if they have harmed someone , they will lose their licence , automatically.

If you were a magistrate, you would have to follow the sentencing guidelines, the same as other magistrates do.

While there are some obviously wrong sentences handed down, this one was squarely within the guidelines for the offence that he pled guilty to.

There are people who dispute that the standard of driving isn't of a poor standard in this country..... I beg to differ , it's a rareity to see a standard that would see these drivers pass a driving test,

You obviously only look at the bad ones then.

The statistics suggest that the overall standard in this country is better than most countries.

That's the standard I set myself, I wish to maintain that high standard every time I drive or ride , plainly that isn't what I see out there everyday, it is an appalling low standard, perhaps encouraged to some extent by the need to 'make progress' as stipulated in the driving tests.

You clearly don't understand what that "make progress" in eth driving test means. It certainly does not encourage bad driving.

 

[grldtnr]

I'm a member of that club and over the years I've seen members censured and even thrown out for drink driving convictions. The idea it helps you out with that sort of sheet is laugh

If you were a magistrate, you would have to follow the sentencing guidelines, the same as other magistrates do.

While there are some obviously wrong sentences handed down, this one was squarely within the guidelines for the offence that he pled guilty to.


You obviously only look at the bad ones then.

The statistics suggest that the overall standard in this country is better than most countries.



You clearly don't understand what that "make progress" in eth driving test means. It certainly does not encourage bad driving.

Oh really? Being stopped , in gear, clutch in, with the car held on the footbrake is good driving, I don't think so, indiscriminate parking, bad road positioning when turning right or emerging right, so as to NOT have a proper view of the road ( by that ,I mean cutting corners turning right)......and any number of minor faults, add these together then you most certainly will fail your driving test.
Add to this the distraction of onboard electronic driving aids, radio, or more to the point Infotainment modules , is it little wonder that drivers do not pay proper attention beyond which they should.
You might say, but they are minor things, but it isn't acceptable, those minor discrepancies have a habit of snowballing .

 

[Drago]

Oh really? Being stopped , in gear, clutch in, with the car held on the footbrake is good driving,

Indeed. It's appalling driving, but sadly all too common. You'd fail your driving test doing that for sure, and you're "not in control" so committing offences.

But the Masons aren't getting anyone off the hook for it. A members highest duty is to the law of the realm in which they live. People caught taking the pith either seriously enough or, for more minor matters, in a repeated manner will get the heave ho.

 

[MichaelW2]

This experiment in driving around in a circle is an eye opener. How to create a traffic jam out of nothing.


View: https://youtu.be/Suugn-p5C1M?si=jsXLiHRxR6CwoZFi

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

This experiment in driving around in a circle is an eye opener. How to create a traffic jam out of nothing.


View: https://youtu.be/Suugn-p5C1M?si=jsXLiHRxR6CwoZFi

People are weird

 

[grldtnr]

Especially the Japanese!
Alex 321 seems to think I don't understand the modern driving test, well I passed my car test back in 1981, so a fair few years ago.
But last year I took my motorcycle test, and passed first time, this is far more rigourous and testing than the motor test, or at least as it was in 1981.
Ok admittedly driving a motorbike is different to a car, but my observations that there are many drivers with bad habits far outweigh the half decent ones.
I would suggest, they outnumber the decent ones , particularly the younger drivers.
It isn't enough to pass your driving test, take of the 'L' plates of shame, then shame yourselves with selfish driving, most do not progress any further than the basic test, do not take advanced driving, and do the bare minimum amply proved by numerous reports on this thread.
Motorcyclist on the other hand are far more responsible, do improve their skills, if only to get home safely. But yes there are some who do not behave, but that isn't the exception.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

when I was in my mid 20s I took the IAM advanced test
My Dad has done it many years before and my girlfriend at the time had done it

anyway - I did it - went to the meetings and did the advised training sessions

basically I learned a huge amount
not much about physically driving the car - mostly about spotting and predicting problems and potential problems
it taught me to work out what is likely to happen before it does and make sure it doesn;t happen to me

I have no idea how many times it has saved me from a collision
but I am pretty sure it has save a few - and certainly saved a lot of situations where I would have been forced into an emergency reaction



I would advise everyone who drives to do it

p.s. don;t believe the things saying it will save you money on insurance - I have tried it and it never does

 

[grldtnr]

I have enough experience now not to need to do the IAM now, there's some truth in that trying to get a lower premium ,isn't worth that investment, certainly not for me now ,I am not working and can't justify the expense.
The Motorcycling is another matter, I have to give it a few more months before I can do that,, as the school in learnt with, has a requirement before you can do that course., but there are several ways to get the additional training at no cost, offered by the 'Blue' light emergency services, which I will avail myself of, again there is a small financial incentive in that, but the big takeaway is the advice and knowledge.
Just by dint of hanging back and appraisal of the situation has seen me avoid potential collisions.

Which of course is a very good thing .

 

[Drago]

I was taught to drive by my Dad who was a RoSPA observer. If I did anything wrong he'd smack me round the knuckles with a steel rule.

After a lesson my hands were bloody tatters, but I passed first go and breezed through the class 4, 3, and then 1 courses in the Dibble.