The Road Maniac and Pathetic Punishment Thread

[dicko]

Murder suspect in court over fatal e-bike collision​

A 23-year-old man has appeared in court accused of the murder of a young mum who was killed in a crash in Derbyshire.
Alana Armstrong, 25, died at the scene in Batley Lane, Pleasley, after she was a passenger on an e-bike involved in the collision with a 4x4 on the evening of 26 November.
The rider - named in court as Jordan Newton-Kay - was taken to hospital where one of his legs had to be amputated below the knee, said police.
Keaton Muldoon, of Tuckers Lane, Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, appeared at Southern Derbyshire Magistrates' Court on Friday charged with the murder of mother-of-one Ms Armstrong and the attempted murder of Mr Newton-Kay, who is in his 20s.
Mr Muldoon was remanded into custody and will appear before Derby Crown Court on Monday.

Source- BBC news.

 

[grldtnr]

Not exactly murder but manslaughter, murder is with malice aforethought, a premeditated act,
I don't know if it's right to comment on this crime, it's reported as going to court, so anything I say about it before the case is possibly in prejudice of it, as it has not been heard.
It very much hinges on the fact ,if the E- bike was a legal E-bike ,equipped to carry a pillion passenger , was taxed and insured, and the rider had a licence.
Muldoon , may have mitigation, or may not.
Untill the case is heard ,we are not a liberty to make comment ,as we do not have full facts of the case.
Icowden, will no doubt pick up on which I write, but murder will not stand in this case,unless there was a premeditated culpability for it.

 

[Drago]

We can't comment on anything that hasn't already been reported, so that's not an issue.

Also a jury is instructed to ignore anything they have have read or heard and judge the matter solely based on the evidence presented to them, so the reality is it won't be prejudicial to any trial.

But beyond that there isnt much to discuss as so little has been released to the media. Suffice to say the laying of a murder charge indicates the dibble have evidence of men's rea, deliberate attempt to cause serious injury or death.

Further than that, will knows?

But my thread is really about maniacs rather than murderers.

 

[grldtnr]

You need to understand the justice system. He pled guilty. There is no miscarriage. All crimes have aggravating and mitigating circumstances that the Judge is required to weigh up.


Correct. He admitted to this and pled guilty.


He wasn't given a financial penalty.


Why, he was given a custodial sentence. He has a criminal record. His movement and behaviour will be monitored for the duration of his sentence (7 months) plus the additional 13 months it has been suspended for.


Well clearly not, as it was prosecuted as (presumably) death by careless driving.


Yes. The Judge did that. Yet you still disagree with the Judge.

Why are you apparently picking holes in this ?
So yes he pled guilty,
He was not financially penalised, but perhaps he should have been.
He may have been given a custodial sentence, but he isn't going by to be detained, but presumably will have to attend probation to see that he is actually obeying the court order for 2 years, and if offends in breach of the court order ,will presumably be jailed.
You don't appear to believe that there is a need for a change in the driving habits of the population at hand, so presumably you think it's perfectly ok to Speed, drive without due care and attention or flout the rules of the road.
The judge is there to hear the case , determine the defendants guilt ,( and yes ,he did plead guilty) then determine a fit and proper sentence.
Let's remind ourselves , he killed someone, on a road,whilst presumably operating listening or viewing a YouTube blog , vlog or whatever it was, and yes i am aware many ,if not most vehicles do have radios or are able to play and broadcast music, or have spoken route instructions, mine does ,but it's seldom on, it will broadcast travel news, I also switch of my phone , perhaps you may not believe that, but its true
It may not have been premeditated, but certainly he bore a high degree of culpability, so why treat him so liently,
I beg to differ?

 

[grldtnr]

We can't comment on anything that hasn't already been reported, so that's not an issue.

Also a jury is instructed to ignore anything they have have read or heard and judge the matter solely based on the evidence presented to them, so the reality is it won't be prejudicial to any trial.

But beyond that there isnt much to discuss as so little has been released to the media. Suffice to say the laying of a murder charge indicates the dibble have evidence of men's rea, deliberate attempt to cause serious injury or death.

Further than that, will knows?

But my thread is really about maniacs rather than murderers.

More accurately, careless driving, occasioning death or harm, intentionally or unintentionally.
and the lenient treatment given.
Maniacs are not in their right mind ( or left for that matter),

 

[Drago]

It may not have been premeditated, but certainly he bore a high degree of culpability, so why treat him so liently,
I beg to differ?

I agree with that. People should not get any credit becauee they didnt mean to kill - tit about with powerful kinetic weapon and it's reasonably foreseeable someone may die, so they can hardly pretend to be surprised when it does happen.

 

[Poacher]

Murder suspect in court over fatal e-bike collision​

A 23-year-old man has appeared in court accused of the murder of a young mum who was killed in a crash in Derbyshire.
Alana Armstrong, 25, died at the scene in Batley Lane, Pleasley, after she was a passenger on an e-bike involved in the collision with a 4x4 on the evening of 26 November.
The rider - named in court as Jordan Newton-Kay - was taken to hospital where one of his legs had to be amputated below the knee, said police.
Keaton Muldoon, of Tuckers Lane, Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, appeared at Southern Derbyshire Magistrates' Court on Friday charged with the murder of mother-of-one Ms Armstrong and the attempted murder of Mr Newton-Kay, who is in his 20s.
Mr Muldoon was remanded into custody and will appear before Derby Crown Court on Monday.

Source- BBC news.

Not exactly murder but manslaughter, murder is with malice aforethought, a premeditated act,
I don't know if it's right to comment on this crime, it's reported as going to court, so anything I say about it before the case is possibly in prejudice of it, as it has not been heard.
It very much hinges on the fact ,if the E- bike was a legal E-bike ,equipped to carry a pillion passenger , was taxed and insured, and the rider had a licence.
Muldoon , may have mitigation, or may not.
Untill the case is heard ,we are not a liberty to make comment ,as we do not have full facts of the case.
Icowden, will no doubt pick up on which I write, but murder will not stand in this case,unless there was a premeditated culpability for it.

We can't comment on anything that hasn't already been reported, so that's not an issue.

Also a jury is instructed to ignore anything they have have read or heard and judge the matter solely based on the evidence presented to them, so the reality is it won't be prejudicial to any trial.

But beyond that there isnt much to discuss as so little has been released to the media. Suffice to say the laying of a murder charge indicates the dibble have evidence of men's rea, deliberate attempt to cause serious injury or death.

Further than that, will knows?

But my thread is really about maniacs rather than murderers.

Presumably it's not considered prejudicial to point out some references to Mr Muldoon which were reported in the past couple of years in the Mansfield Chad. He's racked up an impressive series of convictions:
3/11/2022 Keaton Muldoon arrived on a 125cc bike with a pillion passenger at the junction of Gladstone Street and Newgate Lane, on July 2.
Sarah Holland, prosecuting, said he started revving the engine and riding up and down, causing traffic to move out of the way, while shouting and swearing things like: “You’re a paedo.” The passenger’s face was covered with a balaclava, but one of the officers recognised Muldoon, aged 20, and when he stalled the bike they tried to detain him.
The passenger ran off and Muldoon managed to ride away, but another officer got hold of him shortly afterwards .
Muldoon resisted and PAVA spray was used on him before he was handcuffed and arrested on suspicion of dangerous driving.
The court heard the motorbike had been stolen on June 29 and was bearing a different registration.
Magistrates heard he has 10 previous convictions for 30 offences and was banned from driving for two years in August 2017, after he was convicted of dangerous driving.
He has five convictions for driving while disqualified, with two committed last year, and received a 16-month prison term, suspended for two years, with 30 rehabilitation days, at Nottingham Crown Court, last month.
Muldoon, of Tucker's Lane, admitted making threats and driving without insurance, and while disqualified.
3/7/2023 Keaton Muldoon, 21, of Tuckers Lane, Mansfield: Admitted failing to stop, driving while disqualified and driving without insurance. He was jailed for 26 weeks, suspended for 12 months, with a 31-day programme, banned from driving for 12 months and ordered to pay £85 costs.
29/7/2024 Keaton Muldoon, 22, was found with the class B drug on November 6, last year.Nottingham Crown Court was told the offence put him in breach of a two-year suspended sentence imposed for dangerous driving in October 2022.The court heard he took cannabis to deal with pain and sleeplessness following injuries sustained in a motorbike accident when he was 18.

 

[grldtnr]

But so far he hasn't killed anyone or proven to, and yet has a convictions for being an arse.
Muldoon seems to be one of those 'feral' people whom just won't accept societies rules, plenty of those about.
I've no doubt who ever is defending this person will claim he has behavioural difficulties ,ADHD or something or other to mitigate his actions.
There always will be that kind ,no matter how you deal with them , they will be disruptive just for the hell of it.

 

[Drago]

How does sharia law deal with such individuals?

 

[grldtnr]

How does sharia law deal with such individuals?

Probably quite brutally, but in our 'civilized' western community that wouldn't be tolerated.
In truth, there is no real way to deal with this 'feral' behavior.
Apart from isolation or constant behavioural monitoring, neither is cost effective.
The military wouldn't want them, because they are a detrimental to morale, sentencing them to hard labour isn't going to work either, they will just take their anger and use it against society.
That does end up meaning incarceration, or leaving them to the mercy of society. Nature will deal with that quite succinctly

 

[Dogtrousers]

How does Shakira law deal with such individuals?

After all, the hips don't lie.

 

[Alex321]

Not exactly murder but manslaughter, murder is with malice aforethought, a premeditated act,
I don't know if it's right to comment on this crime, it's reported as going to court, so anything I say about it before the case is possibly in prejudice of it, as it has not been heard.
It very much hinges on the fact ,if the E- bike was a legal E-bike ,equipped to carry a pillion passenger , was taxed and insured, and the rider had a licence.
Muldoon , may have mitigation, or may not.
Untill the case is heard ,we are not a liberty to make comment ,as we do not have full facts of the case.
Icowden, will no doubt pick up on which I write, but murder will not stand in this case,unless there was a premeditated culpability for it.

If it was a deliberate action intended to cause serious injury, and somebody dies as a result, then that is murder. "Premediation" does not mean he must have thought about it for any lengthy period.

And it doesn't hinge on the completely and utterly orrelevant question about whether the e-bike was legal or not. Somebody riding illegally does not justify you killing them.

 

[Drago]

The military wouldn't want them, because they are a detrimental to morale,

Not quite true. During past times when national service brought in known ne'er do wells they were deliberately confined to particular companies within certain units. There were no real high concentrations of villains or trouble makers among the rest of them. Indeed, as a general rule the national servicemen in general were kept largely away from the professional (ie, volunteer) companies, so there was no problem lem with moral being affected among the well behaved.

And the bad ones got a choice at the end of their service if they caused sufficient problems - do another two years, or do commando training and serve only one more year. I know an old boy who took the latter, and that's how there are old gents about with jump wings who weren't in the parachute regiment and some, like my friend colin, we're trained by the Americans so could imformally wear American wings. He reckons it did him some good, because he had to conform else the alternatives were thrown back for another two years or the glasshouse. (once he was out Colin actually took a mercenary job protecting oil company installations in Libya, which brought him in some serious money for the time.)

It was win win. Real sheet-bags are kept out of society and would have made useful cannon fodder on the plains of Germany if the wheel came off, and those with some stones got commando training and if they completed the course might have been genuinely useful soldiers.

 

[grldtnr]

Not quite true. During past times when national service brought in known ne'er do wells they were deliberately confined to particular companies within certain units. There were no real high concentrations of villains or trouble makers among the rest of them. Indeed, as a general rule the national servicemen in general were kept largely away from the professional (ie, volunteer) companies, so there was no problem lem with moral being affected among the well behaved.

And the bad ones got a choice at the end of their service if they caused sufficient problems - do another two years, or do commando training and serve only one more year. I know an old boy who took the latter, and that's how there are old gents about with jump wings who weren't in the parachute regiment and some, like my friend colin, we're trained by the Americans so could imformally wear American wings. He reckons it did him some good, because he had to conform else the alternatives were thrown back for another two years or the glasshouse. (once he was out Colin actually took a mercenary job protecting oil company installations in Libya, which brought him in some serious money for the time.)

It was win win. Real sheet-bags are kept out of society and would have made useful cannon fodder on the plains of Germany if the wheel came off, and those with some stones got commando training and if they completed the course might have been genuinely useful soldiers.

Perhaps these ne'er-do-wells could be given national service, but it could prove costly, the services would invest a lot of time and money doing that, then giving skills to these oils who may not use them for good, but on the other hand a damn good dose of discipline might straighten them out

 

[Drago]

We need to expand the military anyway, and under my plan they wouldn't be getting paid for it...

ButcI dream. We love in the world where offenders have more rights than victims and it won't change. If some Scumbag killed a loved one of mine while being a prat they'd need to send them to prion to keep them safe from me.