grldtnr
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If tired , don't drive !
But then I know someone is going to pick holes in that argument, there are many things that we don't do when tired, driving is a prime example .
The Road Maniac and Pathetic Punishment Thread
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If tired , don't drive !
But then I know someone is going to pick holes in that argument, there are many things that we don't do when tired, driving is a prime example .
Alex321
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Of course not. And NOBODY has suggested for one moment that it might be a "frequent" occurrence.
But that doesn't mean it can't happen.
It could indeed.
Alex321
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Indeed.
We all know we shouldn't drive when tired. But I bet most people have done it at some time in their lives.
Dogtrousers
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Alex321
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I thoughht better of you.
Please do not quote my post to make a statement which I did NOT suggest in any way.
Dogtrousers
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I'm struggling to see why else you might have made it.
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Drago
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I'm not.
Because people do drive when tired. No-one is advocating it, but sometimes you may have no choice. Sometimes you may not be aware of how tired you are. My Grand Scenic was written off in 2007 by someone driving back from a very early morning shoot who fell asleep at the wheel (I was told by the Police). We assumed he was drunk as he appeared to fail to stop - until his front wheel fell off. They said no, he was just asleep. He was offered a driver re-education course.
mjr
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How would you have no choice? One of the benefits of driving is claimed to be that you can do it when you need to, without waiting for the next departure on the timetable. So if you are tired, have a break, maybe a nap, maybe then a coffee. I've certainly done that during some of my more testing cross-country drives, without criticism. It is reckless to drive when too tired, like juggling a loaded gun. Some studies claim tiredness slows reactions more than drinking alcohol.
I don't see anything there suggesting that the driver who hit your vehicle was unaware rather than reckless. It is our responsibility as licensed drivers to check ourselves and not drive too tired.
grldtnr
Über Member
Um, exactly! If tired pull of the road and have 40 winks, I do.
Someone will bring up the arguement, my work makes me drive when tired.
Nope, if it's working time, certainly professional drivers , have to have a break , away from the vehicle ,or at the least the driving wheel.
Only the self employed take that risk, and how many times have you seen small commercial vehicles bombing along in the outside lane, with barely enough room to pull up safely.
Again , I say there has to be a culture change in this country regards driving habits.
mjr
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Exactly. Putting all four wheels across two lines of bumps on a gently bending road is not a brief action unless the car doesn't steer correctly to start with, which hasn't been reported.
There was reportedly dashcam footage from the victim's car, but I don't know how long the killer is visible for and what it shows. From my own dashcam and those I've seen, it's unlikely they were able to tell where his eyes were looking. They might have been able to see if his head was tilted down in the classic "phone on lap/console" view, but maybe his defence was ready to argue that he simply dozed off, although that doesn't match his claim of a "brief loss of concentration". I wonder if this has been charged as careless instead of reckless in exchange for a guilty plea without needing to prove either he was watching youtube for a prolonged period, or he knew he was tired (to make it reckless instead of careless).
Dogtrousers
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Slightly OT but a friend of mine was driving from the the South East to Scotland (roughly Reading to Skye) and, like a good citizen, when she began to feel a bit yawny she obeyed the "don't drive tired" signs and pulled in to a service station, and had a good kip. A few days later she was rewarded with a fine from the service station for parking there too long.
She challenged it and they relented.
She challenged it and they relented.
grldtnr
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Yes, service stations coin it now parking charges ,and do fine if overstayed, which probably is more lucrative than the 'shopping experience ' and food. I rarely eat at Service stations, and if I do stop I eat my own , I get my camping stove and brew up at the picnic area.
To be honest , I rarely use motorways, much prefer the quieter route.
To be honest , I rarely use motorways, much prefer the quieter route.
mjr
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Motorways? They're one of those not-Norfolk things, aren't they?
Alex321
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Why?
I said nothing t suggest I might think it Ok.
And the first thing I said in that post was "We all know we shouldn't". Yet somehow you think I was suggesting it is OK?
If I thought it was OK, I would have said so.
