The Monumental C**k Up Thread.

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Yellow Fang

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Enfield never quite recovered after Churchill yanked the rug out from under them with the EM-2 rifle in 1951. It was more than a generation later when they started working on the SA-80, but by then they had lost all the "institutional knowledge" of gun-making as their workforce moved on or retired.

The engineers who designed the SA-80 did a good job, but that's only part of a new gun platform. Guns aren't complicated, but most new designs require a lot of fiddling to make them run right. The US M-1 Garand took more than a decade of twiddling, first to make it work, then to make it reliable enough to use. And then it took another decade to graft a box magazine onto it to make the M-14. So Enfield's guys were hardly slackers.

The original American Armalite M-16 rifles had problems; Armalite's engineers were good, but not good enough to solve the operation and manufacturing problems quickly enough to get a government contract, so Colt wound up doing the tedious work of ironing out all the problems and the actual manufacturing.

Enfield was in Armalite's situation, but the British small arms industry was basically dead by the 1970s; H&K became Enfield's Colt, ironing out the bugs. It wasn't a matter of competence; Enfield's guys could have gotten everything tweaked eventually. But the government wanted its rifles *now*, even with the problems. Enfield wound up shutting down in the backlash, and HM Government had to pay almost full price *again* for some foreigners to deal with the problem. Which was, in the end, all of its own making, all the way back to 1951.

Still, it's a right-hand-only firearm, and therefore basically just an awkward club to some of us left-handers. Which was peculiar, since Britain has one of the highest percentages of left-handed people.

What seems weird to me is that most soldiers preferred their old SLRs. They were getting worn out, but considering what a lemon the SA-80 was, why not order some more SLRs. Another option on the Steyr Aug, which the Ozzies and the Irish bought. It was an ugly design, but it could be fired left handed.
 

Badger_Boom

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Its like a malaise(or naivety) that seems to pervade through the public sector and one that the construction sector are too happy to exploit.
In reality, I'd guess there are clauses for extenuating circumstances to protect the supplier, fair enough to a degree but when you look at budget over runs in general, it seems it's become an open chequebook for the supplier
That might not be the case for Severfield who supplied the steelwork for the newly constructed Allerdene viaduct on the A1 Birtley to Coal House improvements and five other projects. Checks have revealed significant issues with the quality of welding and they're on the hook for remedial action estimated to be in the region of £20 million.
 

Badger_Boom

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What seems weird to me is that most soldiers preferred their old SLRs. They were getting worn out, but considering what a lemon the SA-80 was, why not order some more SLRs. Another option on the Steyr Aug, which the Ozzies and the Irish bought. It was an ugly design, but it could be fired left handed.
I've only ever used the SA-80 and would much rather keep that than go to the trouble of learning to use a completely new system.

That said, their reaction is understandable given some of the tales of early SA-80s falling to bits in the hands of firers etc.
 

steverob

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The Garden Bridge, a proposed pedestrian bridge across the River Thames in London,
Was that a cock-up though, considering it never got built (although money was still spent on all the glossy brochures and slide shows)?

A boondoggle, yes. Vanity project, almost certainly. But for a true cock-up I'd say it would have had to be built, then either not used, or collapsed before it could be.
 

Ming the Merciless

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Was that a cock-up though, considering it never got built (although money was still spent on all the glossy brochures and slide shows)?

A boondoggle, yes. Vanity project, almost certainly. But for a true cock-up I'd say it would have had to be built, then either not used, or collapsed before it could be.

Considering that they spent £43 million to deliver nothing. A bit more than a few glossy magazines eh? Absolutely a cock up.
 
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