The Football.....

[Kies]

Roy Keane had it spot on. Need 6 decent players or we (United) will be cast aways like Liverpool have been (up until this season). Scarey thought and one i do not wish to entertain right now.
The midfield (what midfield?) are a shambles. Defence is not much better, Rio should be put out to pasture. Vidic is leaving. Evans,Jones,Buttner & Smalling should all be sold come the summer.

That is all for now :-(

 

[swee'pea99]

I can't recall such a hapless performance from a Utd team...ever. A friend recently asked me what was up with my bunch - QPR - and I said they just seem to have lost their mojo, and can't seem to get it back. Utd reminded me of them tonight.

 

[AndyRM]

I think it will take 2 or 3 seasons for Man United to return to the heights they expect to be hitting.

Last season's title victory seemed an act of defiance from Ferguson, like he was laying down a final gauntlet for anyone to try and best his achievements in English football.

 

[Kies]

This same team won the Premiership last season, not because they played well, just that chelsea,Arsenal and citeh were inconsistent. They and liverpool strengthened again last summer, whilst we changed managers and bought Fellaini in a panic.

 

[MarkF]

This same team won the Premiership last season, not because they played well, just that chelsea,Arsenal and citeh were inconsistent.

I don't agree, it didn't "just" happen, not over 38 games, Man U consistently produced much better results, that is not the "fault" of other clubs.

Liverpool's defence doesn't look top 6 to me, but their manager is getting the maximum, in terms of results, from the squad at his disposal. Moyes isn't, he's cautious and fortune is favouring the brave.

It was a tough job Moyes took on but he is making a right pigs ear of it.

 

[Roadhump]

I don't agree, it didn't "just" happen, not over 38 games, Man U consistently produced much better results, that is not the "fault" of other clubs.

Liverpool's defence doesn't look top 6 to me, but their manager is getting the maximum, in terms of results, from the squad at his disposal. Moyes isn't, he's cautious and fortune is favouring the brave.

It was a tough job Moyes took on but he is making a right pigs ear of it.

Ironically at Everton Moyes, especially in his early years there, got the maximum from his team. I watched Everton under Moyes for 11 years and when he first came he was like a breath of fresh air after the dour Walter Smith days, he seemed much more positive. From getting more than the sum of the team's parts in the early days the quality of player improved and there were spells when the football was really good, such as from about 2006 to 2009 and from early 2012 to when he left last year. He did become incredibly cautious though and in many fans' eyes he invariably bottled the big moments (2009 cup final, 2012 semi final).

He made some clumsy remarks when pursuing Baines and Fellaini as transfer targets and some fans suspect he must have known he was off to OT and therefore was disloyal to the club by allowing them to think he might have signed a new contract. Many Evertonians have now turned on him as a result. Personally I look at his overall record and feel we benefited greatly from his time at EFC and I would like to see him do well there (except when they play us). Looking at his cautious nature, his dour demeanour and what he has done at OT since going there, plus the fact that his current squad is under-performing so starkly with last season, I am beginning to think he is indeed the wrong horse on the wrong course and it will end in tears.

 

[PaulB]

I don't agree, it didn't "just" happen, not over 38 games, Man U consistently produced much better results, that is not the "fault" of other clubs.

Liverpool's defence doesn't look top 6 to me, but their manager is getting the maximum, in terms of results, from the squad at his disposal. Moyes isn't, he's cautious and fortune is favouring the brave.

It was a tough job Moyes took on but he is making a right pigs ear of it.

You always seem to have a lot to say but in doing so, reveal you don't know very much about the subject. No disrespect, it's just you tend to open yourself up to warranted criticism.

 

[Kies]

I don't agree, it didn't "just" happen, not over 38 games, Man U consistently produced much better results, that is not the "fault" of other clubs.

Liverpool's defence doesn't look top 6 to me, but their manager is getting the maximum, in terms of results, from the squad at his disposal. Moyes isn't, he's cautious and fortune is favouring the brave.

It was a tough job Moyes took on but he is making a right pigs ear of it.

???? Liverpool are on course to finish in the top 4 , after many a baron year ....
Yes it's possible Man Utd could get up there - but looking an ever more difficult task. I wouldn't call it a pigs ear, finishing top half of the table, but against United's previous 20 odd years of high acheivement (and expectation) - it is concerning.

 

[MarkF]

You always seem to have a lot to say but in doing so, reveal you don't know very much about the subject. No disrespect, it's just you tend to open yourself up to warranted criticism.

Criticise away Paul, I think I'll be able to hold my ground, I've many years of coaching football behind me. You? Although what you have against me saying Liverpool's defence doesn't look fantastic, I have no idea? Maybe anything not 100% positive about Liverpool just sends you crackers?

Liverpool attack ranking - 2nd in the PL
Liverpool defence ranking - 10th in the PL (I was wrong, they are worse than I thought)

http://www.statto.com/football/teams/liverpool

 

[MarkF]

???? Liverpool are on course to finish in the top 4 , after many a baron year ....
Yes it's possible Man Utd could get up there - but looking an ever more difficult task. I wouldn't call it a pigs ear, finishing top half of the table, but against United's previous 20 odd years of high acheivement (and expectation) - it is concerning.

But like Liverpool, all Man U's top talent are in offensive positions, being cautious is not going to get the maximum from them. Rooney & RVP and how many shots?

I don't think pigs ear is that harsh, especially if they don't go through against Olympiacos, that was a great team to draw. Looking at the table, they are doing about as bad as they possibly could with that squad, only Everton of the "challengers" are below them, on goal difference.

 

[PaulB]

Criticise away Paul, I think I'll be able to hold my ground, I've many years of coaching football behind me. You? Although what you have against me saying Liverpool's defence doesn't look fantastic, I have no idea? Maybe anything not 100% positive about Liverpool just sends you crackers?

Liverpool attack ranking - 2nd in the PL
Liverpool defence ranking - 10th in the PL (I was wrong, they are worse than I thought)

http://www.statto.com/football/teams/liverpool

Firstly, why would you think I meant that specific comment of the three you made? You need to exercise your chimp on that one.
Secondly, you're not seriously claiming some credit for park football? Seriously?
Lastly, because your mind doesn't perceive Liverpool's defence to be top six is just shooting yourself in what's left of your foot. They are top four, not top six and there on merit, not luck. Maybe they should have taught you that football is a team game and it's inadvisable to take it apart and try to improve it piecemeal.

 

[MarkF]

Firstly, why would you think I meant that specific comment of the three you made? You need to exercise your chimp on that one.
Secondly, you're not seriously claiming some credit for park football? Seriously?
Lastly, because your mind doesn't perceive Liverpool's defence to be top six is just shooting yourself in what's left of your foot. They are top four, not top six and there on merit, not luck. Maybe they should have taught you that football is a team game and it's inadvisable to take it apart and try to improve it piecemeal.

Well one down, two to go, go ahead if you like.

I perceive? It's not my opinion, the stats are there for you Paul, Liverpool's defence is 10th best.

At least I am not a bigot now.

 

[User482]

I can't recall such a hapless performance from a Utd team...ever. A friend recently asked me what was up with my bunch - QPR - and I said they just seem to have lost their mojo, and can't seem to get it back. Utd reminded me of them tonight.

Au contraire: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/league_cup/9233755.stm

Two goals by Jonathan Spector and Avram Grant was the manager...

That said, they really were appalling last night. RVP barely touched the ball all match.

 

[PaulB]

Well one down, two to go, go ahead if you like.

I perceive? It's not my opinion, the stats are there for you Paul, Liverpool's defence is 10th best.

At least I am not a bigot now.

No, those stats are meaningless. The only stat that counts is the table as that can't lie. That's just straw clutching, that.

And what's this 'bigot' stuff?

 

[MarkF]

No, those stats are meaningless. The only stat that counts is the table as that can't lie. That's just straw clutching, that.

And what's this 'bigot' stuff?

They are excellent stats, they show you clearly see why Liverpool are not higher.

I don't like Brendon Rodgers, you intimated it was because of his religion........before you found out I am from the same "club", so to speak. Bizarre! I don't like Brendan Rodgers, some don't like big fat Sam or Jose, I don't like Brendan.