The Football.....

[musa]

JM has no choice seeing as torres wants to play silly beggars

Aston villa do long balls... Ermmm eat your words good weekend. Not even half the season yet

 

[ianrauk]

It was always clear how good he is, though. That's why I asked. I wondered if there was a power struggle thing going - a sort of ''I'm Mata'' versus ''You don't matter."

JM has always been 'It's about the team, not an individual'.
He had to literally beat Joe Cole to stop all the fancy stuff. He dropped him a few times when all the fancy dan stuff just come to nothing. The result being is that Cole became a better player resulting in Chelsea probably having the best years out of him.
Not saying that Mata is into all the fancy tricks like Cole, but he has to fit into the teams style of play rather then accommodating the team around an individual and it's taking a bit of time for JM to find him that role. Mata is naturally an offensive attacking player, JM prefers the more defensive player.

Chelsea is getting there. JM is slowly getting what he want's from the players and they are starting to respond. Just look at Torres. He was like a man possessed against the Spurtz. The sending off was unfortunate but I do think Chelsea would have nicked the game with a Torres goal.

Let's see if @SpokeyDokey agrees with me.

 

[Inertia]

Hey, you guys knocking from the sidelines, you can show us how good you are by placing your own predictions!

I thought that was the definition of a football fan! Anyway I know my limits ;-)

 

[mark st1]

Well at least Moyes is helping to keep up his 11 year ambition of getting Everton above the likes of Manchester United.

 

[mark st1]

JM has always been 'It's about the team, not an individual'.
He had to literally beat Joe Cole to stop all the fancy stuff. He dropped him a few times when all the fancy dan stuff just come to nothing. The result being is that Cole became a better player resulting in Chelsea probably having the best years out of him.
Not saying that Mata is into all the fancy tricks like Cole, but he has to fit into the teams style of play rather then accommodating the team around an individual and it's taking a bit of time for JM to find him that role. Mata is naturally an offensive attacking player, JM prefers the more defensive player.

Chelsea is getting there. JM is slowly getting what he want's from the players and they are starting to respond. Just look at Torres. He was like a man possessed against the Spurtz. The sending off was unfortunate but I do think Chelsea would have nicked the game with a Torres goal.

Let's see if @SpokeyDokey agrees with me.

I was about to say i didnt realise our illustrious CC owner was a Chelsea fan !!!!!!!! Has he been avatar hacking again lol

 

[SpokeyDokey]

JM has always been 'It's about the team, not an individual'.
He had to literally beat Joe Cole to stop all the fancy stuff. He dropped him a few times when all the fancy dan stuff just come to nothing. The result being is that Cole became a better player resulting in Chelsea probably having the best years out of him.
Not saying that Mata is into all the fancy tricks like Cole, but he has to fit into the teams style of play rather then accommodating the team around an individual and it's taking a bit of time for JM to find him that role. Mata is naturally an offensive attacking player, JM prefers the more defensive player.

Chelsea is getting there. JM is slowly getting what he want's from the players and they are starting to respond. Just look at Torres. He was like a man possessed against the Spurtz. The sending off was unfortunate but I do think Chelsea would have nicked the game with a Torres goal.

Let's see if @SpokeyDokey agrees with me.

Oh yes I agree.

What is happening re Mata was clearly explained by Jose when he was making a fool of Jamie Redknapp on Sky Sports. Jose thinks he is a technically gifted player that needs to adapt his style to assist more with defense. Too often last season we ended up with a hole betwixt attacking midfield (which was just about everyone from our 'defensive' midfielders to our forwards) and our defense that was frequently exploited on the counter.

I think he (Jose) described his preferred style when trying to break down the oppositions two banks of four as using a high block ie the whole outfield plays as a block as high as possible up the pitch but shifts back as a unit when needs be. Playing like this does not allow for players to loiter, for want of a better word, up the park while the rest of the team defends.

I think there was also some suggestion by Jose that pretty football is nice to watch but is a non-starter if it persistently takes you nowhere - which in our case it often does; we can spend an age shifting the ball from side to side across the park but against resolute banks of four defenders it rarely results in them being pulled out of shape and thus creating holes to exploit.

I think Jose is very SAF-like in many ways eg he is 'bigger' than the players and will take the tough decisions regardless of who is who in the dressing room. In short he does what needs to be done and this is why he is paid an absolute fortune. I like his stance - for too long players/agents have been applying pressure on clubs/managers to ensure that players are played as often as possible etc. Maybe some other managers need to have some bigger balls?

Re: Spuds game. Torres & Vertonghen were at it all game and early on it was pretty obvious that trouble was heading in their direction I think Torres should have walked for the scratch and Vertonghen for the simulated head injury although the former would have negated the latter. Apart from that Torres was electric - would be great if he could keep it up though.

Def' a game of two halves with a lively Spurs in the first half. However, Jose clearly had them sussed when the second half came around. Mata added even more pressure in attacking midfield mainly wide on the right as did Shurrle a little later down the LH channel. I think it was a typical ballsy move by Jose to shift the midfield balance to a more attacking stance in the second half (Mikel off, Ramires dropping back and Mata on). The way we pressed Spurs was stunning and they were exposed as a team who looked frail under that type of pressure. A second goal was on the cards until we went down to 10 men.

 

[mark st1]

I do agree much to my disgust that Chelsea are looking good this season but i said before and will say again after watching 20 minutes of tonight's game letting Lukaku go out on loan for another season was a big mistake. The boy is a beast and seems to bang in goals for fun and is terrorizing the Geordie defence atm.

 

[ianrauk]

I do agree much to my disgust that Chelsea are looking good this season but i said before and will say again after watching 20 minutes of tonight's game letting Lukaku go out on loan for another season was a big mistake. The boy is a beast and seems to bang in goals for fun and is terrorizing the Geordie defence atm.

Yup.
We lose Sturridge... he bangs in the goals.
We lose Lukaku...he bangs in the goals.
Hmmm..........

 

[mark st1]

He has just set up there 2nd goal as we speak lol

 

[mark st1]

Yup.
We lose Sturridge... he bangs in the goals.
We lose Lukaku...he bangs in the goals.
Hmmm..........

Thats what i dont get you watch them week in week out know the stats etc letting both them go (id forgot about Sturridge tbh) but keeping the misfiring Torres makes no sense to me. And yes he may have had a good 30 minutes or so the other day before bitch slapping Vertonghen but for me its to little effort to late. Im not a Chelsea hater by any means and i love seeing top players in the Premiership even the likes of Aguero and Suarez etc but for me he has been a waste of cash.

 

[ianrauk]

Thats what i dont get you watch them week in week out know the stats etc letting both them go (id forgot about Sturridge tbh) but keeping the misfiring Torres makes no sense to me. And yes he may have had a good 30 minutes or so the other day before bitch slapping Vertonghen but for me its to little effort to late. Im not a Chelsea hater by any means and i love seeing top players in the Premiership even the likes of Aguero and Suarez etc but for me he has been a waste of cash.

A total waste of cash.
As for that lowlife Suarez.. would I have him at Chelsea?... in a friggin heartbeat pal!

 

[mark st1]

Lukaku just scored AGAIIIIIIIIN lol

 

[ianrauk]

Lukaku just scored AGAIIIIIIIIN lol

Just come here to post the same........

 

[mark st1]

A total waste of cash.
As for that lowlife Suarez.. would I have him at Chelsea?... in a friggin heartbeat pal!

So would i "emotional issues" or whatever he is a striker that scores goals same with Tevez Balotelli etc etc all have a screw loose and no loyalty whatsoever but they can rip defences to bits. Bloomin football does my head in

Anyway Newcastle look like they are going down this season i blame Joe Kinnear

 

[mark st1]

And Everton look well tasty bet Moyes and Fellani are having regrets.