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It's only an offence to have an offensive weapon outside of your home. Using everyday objects, or even everyday weapons to defend yourself is not, in itself, an offence.
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CopperCyclist
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Drago is only giving advice trying to prevent people from being hurt. On the odd (and it is rare) occasion when we met a householder that has successfully used force to protect themselves or their home from a burglar, you can trust me that we are shaking their hand.
The problem comes when they have used too much force, with the burglar in a puddle on the floor, and are saying all the wrong things legally speaking (some of which have been said numerous times on this thread) in which case the still heartfelt handshake comes with advice akin to 'make sure you speak to a solicitor before you speak to us, because when the burglar wakes up you can bet he will'.
The problem comes when they have used too much force, with the burglar in a puddle on the floor, and are saying all the wrong things legally speaking (some of which have been said numerous times on this thread) in which case the still heartfelt handshake comes with advice akin to 'make sure you speak to a solicitor before you speak to us, because when the burglar wakes up you can bet he will'.
Taking the thread back to the original baton question -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-20436164
You certainly can't have one outside the house.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-20436164
You certainly can't have one outside the house.
neil earley
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Sad really when you have to talk to a solicitor before a burglar does!!! as the law seems to be on the wrong side of Law abiding people. Find it totally disgusting and insulting where its an offence to protect the people you love and your property you work hard for. Yes if you run away its the safe option, what happens if you cant, I was talking to a fellow cyclist who was riding past a gypsy site and was kicked off his bike by 4 youths he got up and managed to cycle away again , apart from a buckled wheel and broken glasses he was badly shaken up and didnt cycle for over 6 weeks as he had lost his nerve. PS He is 63 yrs old and started cycling again as his wife had past away this year and gave him a hobby to focus on. Brave people these thugs who prey on vunerable people!
CopperCyclist
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Proving that Col meant to use those items as weapons in his own home isn't needed anyway. Perfectly legal for you to have weapons in your own home, as long as they aren't illegal in themselves such as a 9mm revolver!
Col would only be called upon to justify his level of force. You wouldn't get many police officers wanting to see a householder charged either - regardless of the force used. What we really don't want to see is an innocent person losing their liberty for going too far on an example of lowlife scum, or getting hurt themselves in trying to do so.
Quite. Even lowlife scum have some rights. That isn't always an appealing prospect, particularly to anyone who has been a victim, but the alternative is even worse.
This is rubbish - it is by no means an offence to protect your family and your property, as long as the level of force you use is proportionate.
neil earley
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How can you gauge level of force as being reasonable if your fighting to protect your family and property if toerags break in to your house !! Surely in the heat of the moment you would grab anything if your protecting the above , I would for sure.
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No, actually, if someone was trying to nick the DVD It wouldn't occur to me to shove the carving knife in them and out the other side.
The problem with a weapon - any weapon - is that it can be taken off you and then used against you.
Plus, if you get carried away and actually kill them, how are you going to feel after that?
Burglary is bad, of course it is, but does it actually warrant beating the perpetrator to a pulp?
The problem with a weapon - any weapon - is that it can be taken off you and then used against you.
Plus, if you get carried away and actually kill them, how are you going to feel after that?
Burglary is bad, of course it is, but does it actually warrant beating the perpetrator to a pulp?
neil earley
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Lost me completelel , 1 how do you know burglar only wants a DVD, 2 most burglars carry screwdrivers etc tools of their trade, so dont think if they were confronted by an unarmed man they would turn and run as they have the upperhand surely. If they were confronted by a man with a baseballbat think they would be more inclined to buggar off ! as for beating to a pulp reasonable force as necessary in my opinion is fine eg make sure he cant do you or anyone in the house he burgled harm .
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Well, we'll have to differ then.
Sara_H
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If, in the heat of the moment, you use a bit more force than is strictly necessary, the court (or more precisely, the jury, if it comes to that) will cut you some leeway.
If, however, you continue to beat someone after they are clearly incapacitated and seriously injure them, then you should, rightly, face the consequences of that. A reasonable person will know when to stop, even with the adrenaline flowing.