Team Kits - to ebay or not to ebay

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gds58

Über Member
Location
Colchester
I don't see why you would buy fake team kit - it doesn't support the team, so why not just buy ordinary kit instead of paying extra for fake stuff?

You're just not getting it are you. It's not 'Fake' team kit it's REPLICA as it's not purporting to be the real thing!! The reason that we would buy it from China is that it's massively cheaper than buying even plain kit from this country. For god's sake it's not hard to understand surely unless of course you're another Wayne Rooney!!

I really think that this topic is now done and dusted as they say!
 

Banjo

Fuelled with Jelly Babies
Location
South Wales
You're just not getting it are you. It's not 'Fake' team kit it's REPLICA as it's not purporting to be the real thing!! The reason that we would buy it from China is that it's massively cheaper than buying even plain kit from this country. For god's sake it's not hard to understand surely unless of course you're another Wayne Rooney!!

I really think that this topic is now done and dusted as they say!



The kit is fake in that they are producing it without permission or license from the brand owners .

I dont have any strong views about wether people buy it or not TBH.

I do have issues with rude and arrogant people on forums though.
 

lukesdad

Guest
You're just not getting it are you. It's not 'Fake' team kit it's REPLICA as it's not purporting to be the real thing!! The reason that we would buy it from China is that it's massively cheaper than buying even plain kit from this country. For god's sake it's not hard to understand surely unless of course you're another Wayne Rooney!!

I really think that this topic is now done and dusted as they say!


Ah you must be one of these Replica racers I keep hearing about then ? :whistle:
 

Shanks

Well-Known Member
Location
Chichester
This place was linked to in the 'post a bargain' thread - Cycle Store

They currently have a lot of 'smoke damaged' kit at very good prices. I was sceptical about it but am now on my third order for stuff and none of it has even needed a wash as there is not even a smell of smoke.

I don't buy into the organised crime link very much but am just wary that it might be a pain to return goods to China if they turn out to be c**p when they arrive.

Cheers
 

Little yellow Brompton

A dark destroyer of biscuits!
Location
Bridgend
This place was linked to in the 'post a bargain' thread - Cycle Store

They currently have a lot of 'smoke damaged' kit at very good prices. I was sceptical about it but am now on my third order for stuff and none of it has even needed a wash as there is not even a smell of smoke.

I bought some as well, no smell of smoke, but not what I would call quality. The top fits but the arms flap in the breeze, the bib longs I though were going to be "snug" when I had trouble getting them over my calves, I eventually gave up the struggle at my knees...

I have no idea what siz they are but there is no way they will fit a 38-40 waist.
 

gds58

Über Member
Location
Colchester
Ah you must be one of these Replica racers I keep hearing about then ? :whistle:

I've never heard the term 'Replica Racers' so I don't have a clue as to what you mean but for your information and without wishing to sound big headed, before I retired from racing some 18 years ago I raced at International level and to a very high standard. There was nothing 'Replica' about my racing it was all genuinely me and I'm not now trying to be somebody famous, I don't need to! I'm now really enjoying having returned to cycling as a way of keeping fit and healthy having not touched a bike since that time. To be honest I have kitted myself out with some nice kit at relatively low cost as it would have been so prohibitively expensive to have bought everything I needed from this country.

I haven't yet bought a bike or frame from China but I would definitely consider it for the same reasons. There is an awful lot that we (in Britain) could learn from the Chinese in relation to how efficiently they run their businesses etc and that is then reflected in the prices and the service I have had from them. When I raced I was fortunate to have top quality kit (Assos, Santini) provided for me at no cost to me. I will agree that this Chinese stuff is by no means of that quality but it is perfectly adequate and will do just fine until somebody wants to give me some Assos for free!!

I did think that this was supposed to be a 'discussion' forum but it seems that some people don't like to discuss things unless the others are agreeing with them!! :angry:
 

JustT

Regular
Location
Rossendale
Ok, risking the wrath of others further,

My only reason for not buying form china.....and before you say it, i know lots of stores use china...and i know in recession times money is tight, but I also have a concience.

http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_40/b3701119.htm

http://alfin2200.blogspot.com/2010/04/chinas-sweatshops-produce-gadgets-and.html

http://chinadigitaltimes.net/china/sweatshops/

these ebay sights are not put up by the average jo blog trying to earn a bob or too, but by ruthless business men cashing in on the west's need for cheaper goods.
 

Chris.IOW

Well-Known Member
You're just not getting it are you. It's not 'Fake' team kit it's REPLICA as it's not purporting to be the real thing!! The reason that we would buy it from China is that it's massively cheaper than buying even plain kit from this country. For god's sake it's not hard to understand surely unless of course you're another Wayne Rooney!!

Wow, someone needs to chill out!

There is a huge difference between the terms 'Replica' and 'Fake'

Replica means an item produced under licence by the copywrite owner and therefore replicating the genuine items. Such as football shirts sold at club shops on the high street etc.

Fake means producing without a licence by someone who has just copied a design.

Personally from a moral standpoint I wouldn't want to buy fake gear as if someone has put the time and work in to design something then they deserve to reap the benefit of that. Even if they are a faceless corporate giant.

As for the organised crime points, there is a lot of evidence that organised crime group fund themselves by selling fake goods, maybe not cycling gear but the point the posters were making was a fair point.

And lets not forget that copywrighted material is protected by law and reproducing logos etc that are trademarks without permission is also illegal.
 

rockyraccoon

Veteran
Fair points and I agree with most however explain this to me: if they are fake and copies without permissions they are illegal, right? So why eBay allows those items to be sold on the website and also provide paypal as method of payment ?
 

gds58

Über Member
Location
Colchester
Wow, someone needs to chill out!

There is a huge difference between the terms 'Replica' and 'Fake'

Replica means an item produced under licence by the copywrite owner and therefore replicating the genuine items. Such as football shirts sold at club shops on the high street etc.

Fake means producing without a licence by someone who has just copied a design.

Personally from a moral standpoint I wouldn't want to buy fake gear as if someone has put the time and work in to design something then they deserve to reap the benefit of that. Even if they are a faceless corporate giant.

As for the organised crime points, there is a lot of evidence that organised crime group fund themselves by selling fake goods, maybe not cycling gear but the point the posters were making was a fair point.

And lets not forget that copywrighted material is protected by law and reproducing logos etc that are trademarks without permission is also illegal.

I'm well chilled thank you in fact positively sub zero!

Just one point that might be worth mentioning - does anybody actually know whether or not these guys in China ARE licensed to make replica kit... Just a thought!

Anyway, I'm done with this now but it was interesting to see how many of you clearly have money to waste!
 

Angelfishsolo

A Velocipedian
I'm well chilled thank you in fact positively sub zero!

Just one point that might be worth mentioning - does anybody actually know whether or not these guys in China ARE licensed to make replica kit... Just a thought!

Anyway, I'm done with this now but it was interesting to see how many of you clearly have money to waste!

How many of the respondents actually said they have bough or will buy genuine team kit? Please remind me.
 
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