Surrey County Council to allow debate on banning cyclists from A24

[mjr]

The petition has been rejected.

https://mycouncil.surreycc.gov.uk/d...ghways Transport and Flooding Decisio.pdf?T=2

Interesting that part of the reason for rejection is that the Local Enterprise Partnership refused to fund repairs. Now there's a double edged sword!

 

[Tin Pot]

The petition has been rejected.

https://mycouncil.surreycc.gov.uk/documents/g4618/Decisions Wednesday 09-Nov-2016 14.00 Cabinet Member for Highways Transport and Flooding Decisio.pdf?T=2

Nice response.

 

[AnthonyC]

1-0 against the angry motorist.

 

[Pete Owens]

That was put in place to slow down motorbikes doing the Mickeys. Too many idiots were launching off the rise into the lower carriageway opposite.
When I was a brash teenager, you could bomb along in your dad'ds car as the police were only after motorbikes

Whatever the reason for doing it in the first place it demonstrates that two lanes are not needed to accomodate the volume of motor traffic using the road.

 

[Bluebug]

Whatever the reason for doing it in the first place it demonstrates that two lanes are not needed to accomodate the volume of motor traffic using the road.

The only reason the driving instructor is being held up is due to people who purposely drive under the speed limit on a clear day in that area.

The only traffic problems on that route apart from around the town centres are caused by drivers - those who insist on driving under the speed limit particularly elderly drivers and van drivers in clear conditions.

Cyclists whether they are using the A24 in London, Surrey or Sussex aren't an issue including if they are doing time trials.

 

[Flying Dodo]

You're forgetting that a speed limit isn't a target to be aimed for. It's a maximum.

 

[Bluebug]

You're forgetting that a speed limit isn't a target to be aimed for. It's a maximum.

Speed limits maybe the maximum but you can be fined for driving too slowly without good reason as you are a hazard to other road users and are driving without due care and attention.

 

[mjr]

Speed limits maybe the maximum but you can be fined for driving too slowly without good reason as you are a hazard to other road users and are driving without due care and attention.

A vanishingly small problem compared to excessive speed. If you drive within five below the limit, you're never going to get stopped for that. Too many nobbers act as if speeding is a victimless crime... it's only victimless until there's a collision, then every extra Joule of kinetic energy makes things worse almost every time.

 

[Markymark]

Speed limits maybe the maximum but you can be fined for driving too slowly without good reason as you are a hazard to other road users and are driving without due care and attention.

Only very slow speeds on a motorway would be deemed as such. Driving 40 on a 60 is slow but not dangerous. It may become dangerous if the twat behind us doing 90 but it is the twat who is being dangerous not the slower driver.

A car driving 10mph above the limit is massively more dangerous than anyone travelling below it.

 

[PK99]

Only very slow speeds on a motorway would be deemed as such. Driving 40 on a 60 is slow but not dangerous. It may become dangerous if the twat behind us doing 90 but it is the twat who is being dangerous not the slower driver.

A car driving 10mph above the limit is massively more dangerous than anyone travelling below it.

My daughter failed her driving test, she thought she was in a 20 limit and stayed below 20. The limit was 30 and she was failed for iirc, not making adequate progress.

 

[mjr]

My daughter failed her driving test, she thought she was in a 20 limit and stayed below 20. The limit was 30 and she was failed for iirc, not making adequate progress.

I failed for that reason, before 20mph limits were so widespread. I slowed for a school zone, didn't see the school (it was up a side road, I discovered later) and so didn't speed up again soon enough for the examiner. That and a difference of opinion about how close one should get behind a car turning left, one failed test. Yet on the test I passed, I did 35 in a 30 (downhill into it, unfamiliar road again) which was apparently only worth a minor advice note. The driving test regime is broken about speed IMO.

Amusingly, the entire area I drove at 20 is now a 20mph limit.

 

[hatler]

A vanishingly small problem compared to excessive speed. If you drive within five below the limit, you're never going to get stopped for that. Too many nobbers act as if speeding is a victimless crime... it's only victimless until there's a collision, then every extra Joule of kinetic energy makes things worse almost every time.

It's not even victimless without there being an accident.

Increased pollution = breathing related deaths.
Scary fast cars = children not allowed to cross the road, communities being split.
Increased noise = increased stress for local residents.
Etc etc