Surrey County Council to allow debate on banning cyclists from A24

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benb

Evidence based cyclist
Location
Epsom
A driving instructor has managed to get enough signatures to a petition suggesting cyclists should be banned from the A24 that it will be debated by the council. His "logic" is that as there is an adjacent cycle path we should be forced to use it.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news...cycling-a24-theres-adjacent-cycle-path-297763

The path isn't completely awful, but it's quite unsuitable for fast road bikes.
Here is a section of it.
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Hopefully it will be rejected.
 

G3CWI

Veteran
Location
Macclesfield
Hopefully it will be rejected.

I would not be too hopeful.
 

raleighnut

Legendary Member
I think the only way would be to give it 'Motorway' status (as in it becoming the A24M) which should keep learner drivers off it too.
Far better to restrict the road to 40mph and put 'speed cameras' on it (nice little 'earner' for the Council )
 

PK99

Legendary Member
Location
SW19
The Cycle paths by the A24 were built with the road in 1935/6, partly as a model for all future road evelopment. The CTC AGM at the time voted unanimously against any separate provision and all special cycling provision in the UK went on top the back burner untill the late 70's. The UK was ahead of the game wrt Holland, Germany etc but thanks to CTC we ended up generations behind.


Another contemporary example from the not far away @Rosehill. Morden
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mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
I think the only way would be to give it 'Motorway' status (as in it becoming the A24M) which should keep learner drivers off it too.
Sadly not. I'm pretty sure that Traffic Regulation Order can in theory ban cycles from any road, but it should only be for a reason in http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/27/section/1 (summary: avoiding danger to users, preventing damage to the road or to any building on/near it, facilitating passage, preventing use by traffic unsuitable for its character, preserving it for persons on horseback or on foot, preserving or improving the amenities of the area, or air quality) - but unless there's a safer alternative for all journeys, it's hard to see how there's a tenable argument for banning cycling, so I've mainly seen it used for short and/or junctionless stretches. At best, it should be very embarrasing to a council that they've created a dangerous road and they'll probably have to ban walkers, horses and farm vehicles too, so cyclists shouldn't be alone [edit:] in fighting the ban order.

Of course, they could make an order anyway, then it'll take a load of money getting it overturned in court and it'll probably cause a load of bad publicity for cycling and harm the county council's cycling strategy and public health strategy and argh what a mess.

Any Surrey resident getting a pro-cycling petition together, perhaps asking for the road design to be changed to limit the dangers posed by motorists to all other users? I hope it wouldn't be too hard to top 300 signatures.
Far better to restrict the road to 40mph and put 'speed cameras' on it (nice little 'earner' for the Council )
Probably. Some redesigns could be good, too.
 
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steve50

Disenchanted Member
Location
West Yorkshire
I'm sure the "anti cyclist- cycling" brigade will be watching this with interest, what concerns me is if the ban is allowed to go ahead it could create a precedent and open the floodgates for just about any disgruntled anti cyclist driver to start a petition trying to get cyclists banned from roads where there is an adjacent cycle path / route.
 

ayceejay

Guru
Location
Rural Quebec
That is a very dangerous road for sure, I used to cycle from Abinger Hammer to Dorking and back every day so I know of what I speak. I think the idea of trying to get motorists to tone it down and be aware of cyclists is a lost cause my advice to cyclists would be to avoid it if you can.
 

Tim Hall

Guest
Location
Crawley
That is a very dangerous road for sure, I used to cycle from Abinger Hammer to Dorking and back every day so I know of what I speak. I think the idea of trying to get motorists to tone it down and be aware of cyclists is a lost cause my advice to cyclists would be to avoid it if you can.
The A25 is the road from Abinger Hammer to Dorking. The road being debated is the A24, which runs north from Dorking, past Box Hill (actually it starts in Worthing, but you know what I mean).

The A25 is a bit manky. Single carriageway mostly, tight in places. The A24 from Dorking up to Givons Grove roundabout (just S of Leatherhead) is dual carriageway and a different beast altogether.

I cycle on both without trouble.
 
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benb

benb

Evidence based cyclist
Location
Epsom
Yeah, cycling on the dual carriageway is not the most pleasant road, but as long as you take an assertive position in the lane, so drivers have to change lanes to overtake rather than squeezing through in the same lane, it's not particularly dangerous.
 

Tin Pot

Guru
I use the A24 from the intersection with the A232 to Ashtead.

I hope this nonsense doesn't ruin my route.
 
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