Surly Cross Check?

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al-fresco

Growing older but not up...
Location
Shropshire
So, I'm doing about 30-40 miles a day on my old MTB with a semi-slick front and a knobbly on the back. It gets me around but it's slow work, especially when I head into Wales. I've been looking around for something that would be more comfortable and practical for road use. I can't see me wanting to do more than 60-70 miles a day very often. I can't see me wanting to tour for days on end. But I would like something for:

1) longer day trips, maybe 100 miles occasionally,
2) capable of keeping up with my mates on the rare occasions they talk me into charity runs,
3) flexible enough for cycle tracks and towpaths when I'm pootling about on my own.

Oh - it also needs to be good on hills and poor road surfaces - we have a lot of them around here.

So, I'm thinking "Surly Cross Check"...
I'm also thinking "How MUCH?!"

Advice and opinions welcome.

Al
 

Trickydicky

New Member
For me you have asked the most improtant question, what is your budget? Then you can start making you mind up on a group set.

Do you want drop bars of flats?
STI shifting or bar end or down tube or when they are intergrated with mountain bike breaks?

As you say the Cross versions are sort of what you have spotted are the best for the job you want them for, a quick look on evans and you have a reange of prices from 500 - 2500. Evans

Also how much do you want to go on the toe paths?
Do you want the bike to be able to take Paniers?
Do you want mudguards?
Do you have to take stuff into work with you?
What kind of breaks do u want (caliper, V, hub, there are more i know but are not so common)?
Can you use the cycle to work scheme (gives you a budget) ?

TD
 

Norm

Guest
CX-style bikes are fantastic all-round rides which will easily cover the sort of riding you are considering. I did 101 km last weekend on my Tricross, and that was mostly off-road on tow (note the W :biggrin: ) paths and I reckon, if it can carry my weight on those crappy surfaces, then it should be good for most people.

They may be a tad slower on the road than a dedicated road bike, but I found my average speeds are exactly the same comparing the Tricross and the Secteur. I've done over 1000 miles without any issues at all, not even a wheel needing to be trued.

You'll find the bars feel different at first but you soon get used to them and will very soon relish the five different hand positions, compared to just one or two on the MTB.

The Cross Check is a lovely looking bike but I've never tried one myself. :thumbsup:
 
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al-fresco

Growing older but not up...
Location
Shropshire
Thanks for the thoughts guys!

I've had about half a dozen bikes over the years but never paid much more than £100 for one - which is why the price of a Surly is making me baulk a little. (I'm retired so 'Ride to Work' isn't an option.) The idea of leaving a £1000 bike on a roof rack or chained up outside the pub is a little worrying too! The Cross Check reminds me of a Puegeot that I had in the late 70s - Reynolds 501 IIRC - I think it cost about £70.

For my kind of riding caliper brakes are perfectly adequate (I love the V brakes on my MTB) but position of gear levers - well, you just adapt don't you? Paniers are a good thought and I would like the capacity to fit them along with mud guards - even if I don't bother straightaway.

Thanks again for the responses.
 

John the Monkey

Frivolous Cyclist
Location
Crewe
If you're looking at nothing rougher than towpaths & bike paths, the Pacer & Long Haul Trucker would do the job too.

The Pacer is a slightly more "roadie" like frame (but can still fit full guards and largeish tyres) the Long Haul Trucker is Surly's tourer, a rugged beast of burden that'll take 45c tyres and full guards (I'm running 42c at the moment, and it's smoooooth).

Have a gander at Kinesis too, they make some splendid 'cross style & practical road frames.
 
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al-fresco

Growing older but not up...
Location
Shropshire
Yes - I've already been up to Alf's - I went last week to look at the LHT and it was there I discovered the Pacer and the Cross Check! The new showroom in Gresford is fantastic - they have a huge range of bikes.
 

GrumpyGregry

Here for rides.
Thanks for the thoughts guys!

I've had about half a dozen bikes over the years but never paid much more than £100 for one - which is why the price of a Surly is making me baulk a little. (I'm retired so 'Ride to Work' isn't an option.) The idea of leaving a £1000 bike on a roof rack or chained up outside the pub is a little worrying too! The Cross Check reminds me of a Puegeot that I had in the late 70s - Reynolds 501 IIRC - I think it cost about £70.


Many of us have a £25 - £50 pub bike for trips to shops and watering holes so the pride and joy(s) can stay safe at home. I'm told that, in my neck of the woods, drop bars make a bike almost immune to theft but I'm not willing to be the exception that proves the rule.

Here's just one major on-line retailer's list of cyclo-cross bikes in case you want to see what the Cross-Check, a very competant and versatile bike btw, is up against
 
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al-fresco

Growing older but not up...
Location
Shropshire
Thanks for the responses - some good alternatives to look at but nobody has said "what a dumb idea - <insert bike here> is a much better solution" so I think I'll being popping up to Alf Jones's today...
 

MacB

Lover of things that come in 3's
After getting into cycling and finding my first purchase, for commuting, wasn't my smartest move, I spend a lot of time researching, and annoying folks on here, before choosing a Surly CrossCheck frame to build up. This wasn't the most cost effective method, a complete bike is more economic, but I wanted to run hub gears, and other different aspects, that didn't come on a complete bike.

I recently sold the frame and forks, with no trouble at all, after a couple of years and about 4k miles. In that time I didn't have any cause to complain about, or regret, the frame purchase. My LBS built up the bike for me and commented that it was easy to do as things fitted as they were meant to. The frame that I replaced it with was a Salsa Vaya, both Salsa and Surly are owned by the same company. My reason for changing was that I wanted disc brakes and vertical dropouts, I was prepared to use an alternative method for chain tension(hub gear) rather than the horizontal dropouts of the XCheck. Apart from that the only difference with the Vaya is it has compact geometry(sloping top tube) and mounts for a front rack if needed. But it shares all the other properties that attracted me to the XCheck, steel frame, clearance for bigger tyres, mudguard mounts, rear rack mounts and ability to take hub or derailler gears.

I agree with Greg, for the sort of mileage you're looking at then spending a bit more on a Vaya/XCheck is worth it and just keep the old MTB for locking up at shops etc. Things to be decided that narrow the search:-

1. self build or complete bike - I could do the former far cheaper now, still not as cheap as a complete bike but a lot closer
2. frame material and forks material - for an allrounder I wanted steel in both areas, unless spending big bucks this would be no more than a 2lbs weight penalty
3. tyre clearances - this can really narrow down your choices, choosing a min and max tyre size also selects the wheels as well
4. brake system - disc brakes, v/canti brakes or caliper brakes - if you want bigger tyres then the caliper brakes aren't a good choice
5. frame fittings - if you want to maximise potential utility then the frame needs to accomodate rack and guards

Once you've narrowed it down then you can think about costs, personally I'd go self build and be looking at:-

steel frame and forks - £400
headset, seatpost, seatpost clamp, stem and spacers - £100
wheelset inc rim tape, tyres and tubes - decent handbuilts from Spa or Wheelcraft for about £350
handlebars, grips/tape and saddle - personal preference here and choice of bars will influence other bits obviously - say £80
groupset inc brake/gear controls, cables, front and rear deraillers, chainset, cassette, chain, bottom bracket - the sky's the limit but £400 would get something decent with STIs if going road bars
pedals, bottle cages, mudguards, rack - I'd allow £100

That gives a pricetag in the region of £1500 but could be down to £1k depending on component choices. You may also have some parts or be able to source some secondhand or in sales, depending on how quickly you want to complete the bike. The other option is to go with a complete bike, at a pricepoint and then change/upgrade as and when bits wear out. Unless you're really sure of what you want then this may be the better option.
 
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al-fresco

Growing older but not up...
Location
Shropshire
Thanks Mac - I've ordered a complete bike to keep the costs down. Hope to have it in the next few days. Thanks again folks.
 

pubrunner

Legendary Member
Thanks Mac - I've ordered a complete bike to keep the costs down. Hope to have it in the next few days. Thanks again folks.

Hi Al,

A pleasant surprise to find you on this forum, let me know when you get the bike; I'd certainly be up for a trip out somewhere - especially if there's a drink involved . . . . . . even tea or coffee. I can highly recommend the Cafe in Maesbury.

The Cross Check is a great bike; I'd probably be interested in getting something like that myself, but I can't really justify it - I already have 5 or 6 bikes :rolleyes: . Running is still my primary sport, but I like the odd 'bimble' out on a bike.

If you are interested, there is a Reliability Run from Llanyblodwell Village Hall on 8th May. There are options of doing 50 or 70 miles. It is not a race; last year, I 'pottered' round with my brother-in-law Rob (who you know). We actually cut it short slightly, in a vain attempt to find a cafe enroute. (A cafe stop is more or less manatory :biggrin: ). You'd be very welcome to join us this year - the 50 miler (which we do) starts at 10am, let me know if you are interested !

You certainly appear to have caught the fitness 'bug' - I'll be getting you out running next !

See you soon, hopefully.

Andy
 
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al-fresco

Growing older but not up...
Location
Shropshire
Update:

Took the Surly for its first ride yesterday - knocked 30 mins off my best time for a 30 mile route! I struggled a bit on hills without MTB gearing but on flat or undulating roads it was faster, more efficient and more comfortable. The only annoyance was my toe fouling the front wheel a couple of times - I don't recall that ever happening before. Overall it's a joy to ride. (Now I'm paranoid about it getting nicked!)
 

MacB

Lover of things that come in 3's
Update:

Took the Surly for its first ride yesterday - knocked 30 mins off my best time for a 30 mile route! I struggled a bit on hills without MTB gearing but on flat or undulating roads it was faster, more efficient and more comfortable. The only annoyance was my toe fouling the front wheel a couple of times - I don't recall that ever happening before. Overall it's a joy to ride. (Now I'm paranoid about it getting nicked!)

Good stuff, glad you like it...no answer on the fear of theft we all suffer from it to some degree
 
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