black'n'yellow
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well, er, pro cycling presumably..?
Stephen Roche
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Noodley
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Sorry, I must have missed something...explain?
black'n'yellow
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it just doesn't sound like you're cut out to be a fan of procycling, if it gets you this upset.....
I have to agree. Fancy a cycling fan getting irritated by drug cheats who pontificate about radios, zippers on jerseys and hate Cav because he praises his team. Noodley should be applauding Roche all the way to the top job while fights the issue of drafting after puncturing. Get your priorities sorted out Noodley before you come on here shouting about non-issues like doping and hypocrisy.
Paul_L
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^ + 1.
And what about the scourge of cycling whereby Cav doesn't even look at the chuffin camera when interviewed. That should carry a mandatory 2 year ban!
And what about the scourge of cycling whereby Cav doesn't even look at the chuffin camera when interviewed. That should carry a mandatory 2 year ban!
Paul_L
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We all know use of PEDs was endemic in the past, and for me at least that doesn't take away my enjoyment of say Roche at La Plagne in 87, or Fignon's 8second tour.
But the difference with people like Fignon (RIP) is he admitted use of amphets, and as Noodley has repeatedly tried to say, Roche has always followed the omerta AND is climbing the UCIs gravy train. I'd have no problem with Roche taking a senior position in cycling on the basis that he admitted what went on, admitted he was involved and used his influence to make sure it doesn't ever happen again.
The finish of yesterday's Giro (where everyone looked absolutely farked at the finish) does give some confidence that cycling is as clean now as it's ever been.
Drugs aren't politics. Politicking is what Roche is doing to get on the gravy train. Arguing about non-issues a la Pat McQuaid.I enjoyed all those feats of endurance by the old masters too and can forgive some for taking a few amphetamines. Watching Pantani chock full of EPO and admiring Armstrong bully his way past Fat Jan leaves a bitter taste now though.
black'n'yellow
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spot on. I rarely follow the pro side of the sport, as I don't have much interest in it, but there seems to be an awful lot of armchair whinging going on here, which is why I suggested football as an alternative pursuit...
Paul_L
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La Plagne was different. Roche rode a "superhuman" solo effort to pull nearly a minute and a half back on Delgado. The Giro yesterday, was the whole of the leading contenders slogging it out km after km in a real attritional battle. It's also pretty clear to me, that the "recovery" from day to day is not what it once was and i contest the comment that they ride the day after like nothing happened.
black'n'yellow
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yep - that must be true - because you saw it on the telly.....
Diggs
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Well he's on http://thebikeshow.net next month and Jack is asking on various social networking sites for their opinion
Flying_Monkey
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But enough interest, apparently, to argue about something you aren't interested in.
Look, it's very simple: Roche was a great rider. He also took drugs. He refuses to talk about it. He's now a pro-cycling politician. He is in a position where he lectures contemporary cyclists about cheating and proper behaviour. But neither you nor i.o.t.c.b seem to think this is a problem, and you also can't apparently think of any motivation for our criticism than the idea that we must not like Roche personally.
Given that you don't have much interest in the pro sport, have you actually read the kind of stuff that Roche has been coming out with recently? I really advise you to take a look at the thread I started a few weeks back. It might be an eye-opener.
black'n'yellow
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But enough interest, apparently, to argue about something you aren't interested in.
'Enough' being the operative word, yes. Either you like watching people racing each other on bicycles - or you don't. If you do, then just enjoy it for what it is.
It's not a problem. Most sports usually get the politicians they deserve. I'm sure if the teams were that upset they would do something about it.
I've just read the stuff. Roche says one thing - Vaughters says something different. Disagreement between two different sets of vested interests is hardly anything new...
