so soras pretty good but basic bit like standard hoover lifts muck just as good as deluxe models but is slightly heavier and has less options ,
thanks all it just seems theres no escaping sora on a bike under £700 ,
and if you do get 105 the cost cuttings are elsewhere think id prefer good frame to groupset could always upgrade gears later if frame deserved better ,
im getting a cube ariel cant justify extra £s to save 500grms on a carbon fork
and with ariel i get free look pedals and pump its 2010 model ,
http://www.leisurela...CubeBWAriel.jpg .
again thanks everyone it was all hanging on the gears off to make that call now