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Andrew_P

In between here and there
Just corrected this mornings ride both on Strava and Garmin Strava 359ft Garmin 361ft so pretty much the same result. My Unit was report 560ft!!
 

Ben Lowe

Senior Member
Location
Sheffield
Yeah, could be useful actually.

Done and now live on segment list page and in the dashboard. :dance:
 

Powely

Well-Known Member
Call me cynical but how do we not know someone isn't just cruising along at xxmph in their car to get KOM? How could we tell?
 

zizou

Veteran
The local strava competition has reached new levels of patheticness as someone keeps flagging as dangerous a segment i set up.

The thing is it is a 'replacement' segment rather than a new one - whoever set up the original had GPS drift and the last couple of hundred metres goes over the middle of houses rather than the proper track! So routes that are uploaded sometimes get registered but most of the time they dont. So i put one up with more accurate data. The KOTM leader on the faulty segment is only about 5th on the new one (i'm still below him), so i assume this is the guy who keeps flagging the new segment. Pathetic, i'm not flagging or asking to remove the faulty segment but its obvious he is only top of the leaderboard on the old segment because of the poor gps data! :biggrin:
 

Ben Lowe

Senior Member
Location
Sheffield
Call me cynical but how do we not know someone isn't just cruising along at xxmph in their car to get KOM? How could we tell?
You do see people doing it by accident (hopefully) fairly often but it's east to tell by looking at the ride performance. Someone recently swept up a bunch of KOMs on moped as a joke but it was obvious as he wasn't going down the hills as fast as he did normally! Easy to flag the rides to get rid of them though.
 

zizou

Veteran
Call me cynical but how do we not know someone isn't just cruising along at xxmph in their car to get KOM? How could we tell?

If there is either cadence, heart rate or power data (the one with the lightning bolt beside it not the estimated) then it is probably ok.

For those without that data then you can usually tell with the rider name - the same names will appear on a lot of local segments and you will get to know what the competition is capable of :biggrin: Also if people are going out and only recording segments and not having them appear as part of a longer ride then that is IMO pretty suspicious.
 

Ben Lowe

Senior Member
Location
Sheffield
Out of interest do you know if in the future it would be possible for sites like Strava to use actual OS map type data rather than users own data?
See this Strava support issue I raised about this exact thing for their response. In case that link doesn't load for you then this is the important bit of their response:

"Forcing an elevation lookup for segments is a pretty good idea actually but elevation lookup data can also have issues. This is something to discuss with the team though and I'll be sure to share this idea. For now, please send us links to the bad segments as you come across them, and we'll delete them."

Although for these dodgy segments on stravaviewer I'm tempted to go to Google and get their elevation values for the start and end positions, it certainly won't be any worse.
 

Ben Lowe

Senior Member
Location
Sheffield
We've had a recent KOM round here which appears to be due to their Garmin device not quite tracking right and jumping about 100m within a second, right to the end of the segment saving about 19s and putting them into 1st place. Probably not the riders fault and ride covers off lots of genuine segments so a bit unfair to flag the entire ride. Don't think there is a way to flag an individual's segment effort in this kind of circumstance. If it was me I'd sort out my gpx file using something like this and re-upload it but that's probably expecting too much from some people.
If it was on a segment in the middle of nowhere then I wouldn't really care but it's on one of the most popular MTB climbs out of Sheffield and I've heard people referring to the time in awe and I can't be bothered to explain to them that they should ignore it!
 

400bhp

Guru
We've had a recent KOM round here which appears to be due to their Garmin device not quite tracking right and jumping about 100m within a second, right to the end of the segment saving about 19s and putting them into 1st place. Probably not the riders fault and ride covers off lots of genuine segments so a bit unfair to flag the entire ride. Don't think there is a way to flag an individual's segment effort in this kind of circumstance. If it was me I'd sort out my gpx file using something like this and re-upload it but that's probably expecting too much from some people.
If it was on a segment in the middle of nowhere then I wouldn't really care but it's on one of the most popular MTB climbs out of Sheffield and I've heard people referring to the time in awe and I can't be bothered to explain to them that they should ignore it!

if in doubt flag it

unfortunate for him but that's the way it goes.
 
Folk have been trying to break one of my KOM's for a while, today somebody smashed it by almost 10mph. It was obvious it was done in a car but the bloke had also been wiped out by a car and switching off his Garmin was probably the last thing on his mind (the fact he has uploaded it hopefully means he is OK). I don't fancy flagging that ride :ohmy:
 

lanternerouge

Veteran
Location
Leafy Cheshire
I smashed my time on the Wizard by 20 seconds today!! Either I have not been trying hard enough or I am on drugs, unbeknown to myself.

Was using iPhone app as have lent Garmin to a mate, would it make any difference?
 
I smashed my time on the Wizard by 20 seconds today!! Either I have not been trying hard enough or I am on drugs, unbeknown to myself.

Was using iPhone app as have lent Garmin to a mate, would it make any difference?
I think somewhere in this thread is a link to a review on GPS and they found that garmin, htc's etc are on a par (it seems to be so when the riders in our club peleton achieve almost the same time), however they also found the i phone was all over the place. I think they also found the quality of the reception mattered (or was that another link :wacko:) I think somebody compared a on handlebar/stem garmin to a phone in a saddle bag on the same ride.
 
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