Safety in numbers - a Dutch study

[matticus]

tinyurl.com/2x2fpywx (long PDf of the whole study!)

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

I think we need more cyclists in this country so that it becomes regarded as a normal activity

well - when I say cyclist - I mean well behaved ones.
At the moment there are too many that ride on pavements as if pedestrians should get out of the way and jump red lights.
It is a small number but they are the ones people notice - like I notice the moron in an Audi on the motorway that cuts across all 3 lanes and then back again to get ahead
but do not remember the 99% that drive perfectly normally!


but at the moment we need more sensible ones.
Round here here are very few badly behaved one for some reason - but so few that most people hardly see them and wonder why we have so many cycle paths (including the "loba whit line down the side of the road and chuck in a claim for a grant for cycling infrastructore" ones!)

no idea how you sort this out

 

[Drago]

When the numbers are like thar put the cars on the narrow paths and leave the roads to the bicycles.

 

[Brandane]

I think we need more cyclists in this country so that it becomes regarded as a normal activity

Never going to happen in my part of "this country", and I would think plenty of other parts too.
Too many hills; too much wind and rain (all year round - wet summers seem to be the new normal). As simple as that. Cycling will always be popular with a tiny number of masochists like myself, but as a means of mass transportation or "normal activity"? Absolutely ZERO chance.

 

[All uphill]

Never going to happen in my part of "this country", and I would think plenty of other parts too.
Too many hills; too much wind and rain (all year round - wet summers seem to be the new normal). As simple as that. Cycling will always be popular with a tiny number of masochists like myself, but as a means of mass transportation or "normal activity"? Absolutely ZERO chance.

Ebikes for hills?

Winter in the Netherlands and Denmark is not known for calm sunny weather.a

 

[All uphill]

I think we need more cyclists in this country so that it becomes regarded as a normal activity

well - when I say cyclist - I mean well behaved ones.
At the moment there are too many that ride on pavements as if pedestrians should get out of the way and jump red lights.
It is a small number but they are the ones people notice - like I notice the moron in an Audi on the motorway that cuts across all 3 lanes and then back again to get ahead
but do not remember the 99% that drive perfectly normally!


but at the moment we need more sensible ones.
Round here here are very few badly behaved one for some reason - but so few that most people hardly see them and wonder why we have so many cycle paths (including the "loba whit line down the side of the road and chuck in a claim for a grant for cycling infrastructore" ones!)

no idea how you sort this out

I agree that all road users should obey the rules.

However the disobedient scallywags on scooters and bikes still increase other road users' awareness of people on two wheels, and IMHO that's a good thing.

As for drivers grumbles - well they are going to grumble anyway.

 

[matticus]

As for drivers grumbles - well they are going to grumble anyway.

Exactly!

 

[Vantage]

Exactly!

Whilst committing the exact same traffic offences with a much bigger vehicle.

 

[Brandane]

Ebikes for hills?

As the owner of a LEGAL e-bike, I can testify that they are not a magic solution to hills. They do assist as intended, but they still require hard work to get them up significant climbs! And obviously, when it comes to wet weather they offer no protection.

 

[Vantage]

That why I love my 750w motor. It'll climb anything

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

That why I love my 750w motor. It'll climb anything

So will the 1.0l turbo engine in my car

but that needs a license and other stuff otherwise it is illegal

in the UK at least - other countries are different

 

[Vantage]

It is technically illegal. There is no peak limit for motor wattage in the EU or UK. The 250 watt limit is a continuous limit.
I'm ok with my little indiscretion as I don't ride around like some of the retards on ebikes and I have it limited to the 15mph requirement.
I chose the 750w motor after the 250w previous one was useless when fully loaded touring up a 17% climb.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

pedestrians should get out of the way and jump red lights.

I see pedestrians jumping red lights all the time

 

[Vantage]

At 5'4" I'd need a trampoline to jump a red light.