Ryde CSS rims

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ANT 666

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I just fitted a set of wheels with css rims, I'm using koolstop brake pads for css rims but they are ear bleedingly squeeeeeeeling!
I've got them toed in by about 1.5mm so that seems about right, only done about 80k on them, will they settle down? As I'm not sure my lugholes can take it.
 

steve50

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Location
West Yorkshire
 
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Loch side.
I just fitted a set of wheels with css rims, I'm using koolstop brake pads for css rims but they are ear bleedingly squeeeeeeeling!
I've got them toed in by about 1.5mm so that seems about right, only done about 80k on them, will they settle down? As I'm not sure my lugholes can take it.
Not being familiar with those rims, I looked them up. However, the technical jargon tells me nothing. The photo seems to indicate that they are coated with something. I suspect it is some sort of ceramic but if you let me know, I can address the problem.
 
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ANT 666

ANT 666

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Thanks no help done all that except putting talc on the rims and thats just a lubricant, on the rims I don't think so.
 
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ANT 666

ANT 666

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Yes the are carbide coated makes then very tough, they are on a set of expedition wheels. and I know only koolstop and swissstop make the right pads for them.
 
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Loch side.
It seems as if the coating is vapour-deposited Tungsten Carbide. It is a very hard material commonly used in machine cutting tools. Like all hard coatings designed to increase rim life, they come at a price. The price you will pay is poor wet stopping, poor stopping in high-speed braking and of course noise.
Aluminium is an excellent thermal conductor and readily scavenges the heat generated in the brake pad during braking. That heat is then dissipated into the rim and removed by convection and radiation.
With a coated rim, the heat cannot be transported from the rubber pad. This increases the pad temperature to melting point and the brakes either fail (high performance braking) or the rim track becomes contaminated with a layer of deposited rubber, which squeals like hell. The latter will happen under low performance braking. The industry responds to this problem with high melting point rubber or zero-melt substances like cork and sawdust. However, this just solves one problem - the melt. It doesn't improve braking and doesn't make the noise go away.
A toe-in of the pads on good quality calipers will not help. Toe-in is a cure for flexible brakes which "toe-out" in use and an attempt to neutralize the pad position on the rim.
 
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ANT 666

ANT 666

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The stopping performance is fantastic but the noise is unreal and I can feel the vibrations right through the saddle.
 

e-rider

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South West
The stopping performance is fantastic but the noise is unreal and I can feel the vibrations right through the saddle.
you can feel vibrations through the saddle? from braking? Something is not right here!
Ryde is the new name for Rigida if I'm not mistaken? I don't like Rigida rims.
 
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Loch side.
The stopping performance is fantastic but the noise is unreal and I can feel the vibrations right through the saddle.
Vibration from brake calipers is a sure sign of reduced performance. Vibration is an indication of stick/slip intervals and reduces friction over a pure slip mode. But, you now own the rims and may just have to live with their side effects.
 
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London
Ryde is the new name for Rigida if I'm not mistaken? I don't like Rigida rims.

First sentence true. Am intrigued by second. I have a pair of rigida/ryde sputniks and think they are great. What's your issue with rigida/ryde? Note, i am not a weight weenie, never have been,
 

e-rider

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South West
First sentence true. Am intrigued by second. I have a pair of rigida/ryde sputniks and think they are great. What's your issue with rigida/ryde? Note, i am not a weight weenie, never have been,
I have used Sputniks and Chrina rims by rigida. The sputniks were okay, esp considering the price but certainly nothing amazing - so many people bang on about these rims being the best touring rims but the fact is that they might be the best budget touring rims, but there are much better touring rims out there if you have a bit more money. Even the Mavic A719 which is only £20 more per rim, is much better. the Chrina rims on the other hand are complete crap, cheaply and poorly made with a problem of the eyelets pulling out.
 
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I have used Sputniks and Chrina rims by rigida. The sputniks were okay, esp considering the price but certainly nothing amazing - so many people bang on about these rims being the best touring rims but the fact is that they might be the best budget touring rims, but there are much better touring rims out there if you have a bit more money. Even the Mavic A719 which is only £20 more per rim, is much better. the Chrina rims on the other hand are complete crap, cheaply and poorly made with a problem of the eyelets pulling out.

So what made the Sputniks "OK" ? and why are the Mavic A719 better ?
 
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