Russian developments

[AndyRM]

Seems an unfortunate attitude to take. Ideally a peaceful resolution would be my goal.

I'd agree with you there. Russia annexing Ukraine would not be a good thing.

 

[Cycleops]

Putin can't escape history, look at the fate of other European dictators.

 

[rockyroller]

US news says armed rebellion while showing video of Wagner boss sitting around talking & others soldiers looking confused on city roads. is that really the latest news?

 

[Drago]

This morning people dont seem quite so quick to take the pith out of me for being a prepper.

 

[Drago]

Putin can't escape history, look at the fate of other European dictators.

They got well paid jobs as peace envoys and given a knighthood?

 

[rockyroller]

This morning people dont seem quite so quick to take the pith out of me for being a prepper.

I still have canned goods left over from covid lockdowns

 

[DRM]

Russia invades Crimea
Russia invades Ukraine
Russia invades Moldovia
Russia invades Latvia
Russia invades Lithuania
Russia invades Estonia
Russia invades Poland

Do you see where this war is going?

Russia will categorically not invade Poland, that will bring the whole of NATO on board, then it’s either huge bangs and mushroom clouds, or Moscow is under NATO control, Putin knows full well what would happen if he did

 

[Drago]

Russia doesn't have the wherewithal to invade Poland.

 

[pawl]

Has this escaped from the political thread&

 

[DRM]

Their own fault partly for letting the west play war games on their border.
If you start poking a bear with a stick then you cant start crying when you get bitten.
I couldnt care less if the Ukraine was completely annexed by Russia.

You do realise that at the height of the Cold War, if a conventional conflict had broken out, the predicted precursor to nukes flying about, the Soviets had Spetznatz troops ready to parachute into all West German Garrison Towns with a view to taking all UK & US forces families hostage, we’ve all seen how that went in every conflict that the Soviet Union then Russia has been involved in, mass rape and murder, so yes they need bringing to heel ASAP

 

[Drago]

You do realise that at the height of the Cold War, if a conventional conflict had broken out, the predicted precursor to nukes flying about, the Soviets had Spetznatz troops ready to parachute into all West German Garrison Towns with a view to taking all UK & US forces families hostage, we’ve all seen how that went in every conflict that the Soviet Union then Russia has been involved in, mass rape and murder, so yes they need bringing to heel ASAP

This was well known. In the event a conflict seeming remotely - you can't hide the mass mobilisation of equipment and personnel from satellites - likely such persons would have been moved well to the west, even out the country.

However, the odds of being able to evade western surveillance and air defences en masse were low to say the least, and the odds of being able to move on the ground further than the Fulda Gap were effectively zero as of necessity that would have been SADM'd by western forces to prevent any further advance.

The general consensus when I did my tour was that it was probably not a real military plan, but rather a piece of deliberate misdirection intended to cause western forces to expend resources unnecessarily. In that regard it worked, because without a shot being fired time was spent creating and maintaining response scenarios to any such action, and in the event of war significant resources would have been expended countering it.

 

[DRM]

Totally agree, as you say simply splitting available forces just in case, but I certainly believe if they could have got hold of Western families, they would have done so, but the build up would’ve been noted

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

Amazed this has not been locked

my main worry about the whole thing is that whoever ends up in charge of Russia could be worse than Putin

and will have access to their nuclear weapons

it could end up well and produce a more predictable and peaceful world.

or not

 

[Drago]

Of course, the wall came down at a time that was fortuitous for Russia.

Iraq were very well armed with what was then modern, Soviet gear, and the A10s and Apaches turned the T72s and BMPs into a smear on the landscape. By proxy we now know that their chances of serious advance into Germany - without deploying tactical nukes - was very low.

Similarly, the Western allies knew from the Yom Kippur war that the supposedly state of the art Soviet air defences were utter sheet. Egypt, Syria and Jordan had all been thus equipped by the USSR and the IDF, using western equipment and doctrine, made it all go away almost comically fast so had the reds tried it on it seems unlikely they would have withstood any counter advance.

So with the benefit of hindsight we know the Soviets had little chance of making an invasion stick.

 

[Moderators]

Closed, a discussion for NCAP.