Restrictions on cyclists now being discussed at Ministerial level.

[Illaveago]

How about joggers? They can shift at times and would cause a similar injury if they bumped into a pedestrian ?

 

[hoopdriver]

Although the story is just nonsense and come to nothing, the lack of speedometer would not be a barrier any more than the lack of alcohol detectors in cars stop there being legal limits as to when you can drive or not.

Not at all. Motorists have most definitely been able to overturn speeding tickets when, for example, it can’t be established that the speed camera was set up properly. It is a quantifiable matter. There is also a legally mandated leeway on speeding offences of a couple of miles per hour in recognition if the fact that speedometers may vary. Which means you’d be looking at 22 or 23mph before you could get fined - which is really hauling it.

i suspect a lot of people who imagine they are seeing a recklessly fast cyclist are seeing somebody doing 16-18mph

Drinking is entirely different. You know when you’ve been drinking. It’s a risk you take, or not.

 

[markemark]

To be fair, a 20 mph limit is there for (you'd hope) a good reason, near a school, a particually dangerous spot for whatever reason. A cyclist has no more moral or legal right to break that speed limit than a car, lorry, bus or anything else. To do so would deserve condemnation.

But the reality is, 95% of cyclist couldnt or wouldnt break that speed limit (some of us do actually have common sense) so its a bit of clickbait, a diversion, pandering to a audience, whatever...as soon as you start to regulate cyclists, many of them will either disappear (stop cycling) or ignore the regulation (in whatever form, licencing, plates etc) ...and nothing good will be achieved.

If you did regulate, how would you enforce ? Police officers with speed cameras ? They can't even make a dent in scooter riders on the road ...as DanBo says...

The 20mph limit does little to stop the number of crashes. It does however , do a lot to limit the severity of any crash. As the severity of being hit by a cyclist is negligible compared to a car it make little sense to make cyclists follow the same speed limit.

A more logical approach would be momentum. As cars weigh about 20times that of a cyclist we should be able to cycle at 400mph… something I can only do on my road bike.

 

[wiggydiggy]

RIP Darius

I think that's the more important story there.

He presented a couple of radio shows as a stand in DJ from time to time, I enjoyed them.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

Where would the number plate go on a unicycle.

I have an idea but this is a family site

 

[markemark]

Not at all. Motorists have most definitely been able to overturn speeding tickets when, for example, it can’t be established that the speed camera was set up properly. It is a quantifiable matter. There is also a legally mandated leeway on speeding offences of a couple of miles per hour in recognition if the fact that speedometers may vary. Which means you’d be looking at 22 or 23mph before you could get fined - which is really hauling it.

i suspect a lot of people who imagine they are seeing a recklessly fast cyclist are seeing somebody doing 16-18mph

Drinking is entirely different. You know when you’ve been drinking. It’s a risk you take, or not.

That tolerance is being nice to the poor motorist. You not being able to measure the limit does not mean the limit exists. There are legal limits for blood alcohol. Your car cannot measure it. But the limit is stilll there. It was suggested that cars have it built in, ie car not worky if over the limit. Never brought in as it’ll give some people a target, ie ooh I can have another pint as I’m fine.

 

[matticus]

This was first in the news on August 6th. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62444889
Interesting that the Mail bumped it up again today/yesterday ...

 

[Andy in Germany]

Apply strict liability in the same way as they do here; problem solved.

 

[matticus]

The 20mph limit does little to stop the number of crashes. It does however , do a lot to limit the severity of any crash. As the severity of being hit by a cyclist is negligible compared to a care it make little sense to make cyclists follow the same speed limit.

A more logical approach would be momentum. As cars weigh about 20times that of a cyclist would should be able to cycle at 400mph…

Well put. HGVs have extra limitations over cars - for good reason. See also: planes, tractors, etc etc ...

And we don't have special laws for every situation that kills about 1 person every 2 years (accidentally).

 

[Illaveago]

Air bags for cyclists !

 

[kingrollo]

Given the fecks up with track and trace and basically every scheme which involves this government collecting, and safely securing people data - I quite like this scheme for the novelty value and chaos it would cause before slowly and quietly dying.

 

[kingrollo]

At least he hasn't mentioned compulsory helmets.

 

[numbnuts]

For this to work a speedometer fitted by a qualified person and have to be calabrated too by a MOT tester or the like

 

[fossyant]

Slow news day, Boris is frightening the resident's of Greece by sunning himself on the beach, press are bored of the war(s), so, yeh get the cyclist scum !

 

[dan_bo]

It's news cycle control nothing more. Inflation at 20% noooo let's talk about cyclists instead.

Rattle the keys.