Restrictions on cyclists now being discussed at Ministerial level.

[classic33]

Insurance for cycles ? Great- I hit a pothole and pass it to them to sue council for their loss when I claim . How does my 9 yo get insured ?

Maybe with
https://www.bicyinsurance.com/children-bicy-insurance/

The one industry who must be looking forward to the possibility of all cyclists requiring cover.

 

[DRM]

It isn't only motorways where the limit varies by vehicle type. Dual carriageways have similar limits to motorways. Single carriageways have more variation.

Non urban single carriageway defaults are 60 for cars and vans, 50 if towing or various categories of PSV and LGV, 40 (Scotland only now) for HGVs.

https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

There is no technical reason why the default urban limit has to be the same for all vehicles.

And it isn't necessarily the case that cyclists think it should apply to ever other road user than themselves, but it is fact that currently they do.

Whether it is worth changing the law for the very few cases where cyclists are traveling above the motor vehicle limit is debatable.

Whether it is worth also forcing cyclists to have visible ID such as registration plates is just a non starter IMO, but without it, cameras would not be able to enforce any speed limits that became applicable.

Single carriageway national speed limit in a van is 50 mph, dual carriageway is 60 mph, motorway is 70 mph, obviously unless a lower limit is in force, if it’s a car derived van it’s the same as a car speed limit wise, evidence noted on all types road prove that as Michael Caine was alleged to have said was “not a lot of people know that” as a large vans go flying past 70mph +

 

[PK99]

But it's white only to the front, yellow to the rear.

But you clearly do recognize and accept the point that cyclists can, and sometimes do, sport numberplates on the front of their bikes for identification purposes.

 

[PK99]

For argument sake what would happen if number plates were to be made legal.
In the real world it would be unworkable. Alot of bikes are often shared amongst kids and adults,and if an offence was committed and the number plate was somehow recorded how could it be proven who was riding the bike.

The same applies to car drivers.

 

[classic33]

But you clearly do recognize and accept the point that cyclists can, and sometimes do, sport numberplates on the front of their bikes for identification purposes.

Haven't those numbers been preassigned to the rider, not their bike, for the one event?

Same rider and bike can be in the same event the following year, with a different number assigned to the rider.

 

[Alex321]

But you clearly do recognize and accept the point that cyclists can, and sometimes do, sport numberplates on the front of their bikes for identification purposes.

Only very lightweight, temporary ones. Those wouldn't stand up to more than one or two rides, and fitting ones in that position which would will usually be restricting the movement of the bars.

 

[PK99]

Only very lightweight, temporary ones. Those wouldn't stand up to more than one or two rides, and fitting ones in that position which would will usually be restricting the movement of the bars.

Design details. The principle is established!

 

[classic33]

Design details. The principle is established!

And front mounted number plates were removed from motorbikes/mopeds in the late seventies, based on earlier posts, due to the injuries they caused.

If we were forced to have front mounted plates, then I'd expect motorbikes and mopeds to have the same.

 

[PK99]

And front mounted number plates were removed from motorbikes/mopeds in the late seventies, based on earlier posts, due to the injuries they caused.

If we were forced to have front mounted plates, then I'd expect motorbikes and mopeds to have the same.

Design details, the principle is established.

 

[PaulB]

Although there's little chance of this despicable restriction being imposed on us, it's certainly gained some traction in the national news. The Guardian has this https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/17/cyclists-grant-shapps-culture-wars today. The difference between the reactions of the readers of the Guardian and the Heil are polar opposites in the comments section below each article. It's not so much the fact it's being even discussed but the increased danger it places cyclists in when we've clearly got lots of people who believe this should be implemented and when it's not, the animosity towards cyclists will increase.

 

[markemark]

It's not so much the fact it's being even discussed but the increased danger it places cyclists in when we've clearly got lots of people who believe this should be implemented and when it's not, the animosity towards cyclists will increase.

Sadly this is the inevitable flip side of greater numbers and infrastructure. The more cyclists there are the more annoyed the vocal drivers will be as their priority is eroded. It was never going to be welcomed. As cycling increases more and more expect the minority who are fuming at this to become louder and louder as their space becomes less and less. Think of then as loud mouth racists, to be ignored.

 

[Mike_P]

Whilst cycle race riders may have identification numbers the number of a riders in a race is negligible compared to the number of bicycles in the UK so the simple fact of finding a safe space for such a number of the necessary size, not the old front motor bike style which was outlawed because of impact on accidents, remains if such a crazy idea did show any likelihood of becoming reality.

 

[PaulB]

Sadly this is the inevitable flip side of greater numbers and infrastructure. The more cyclists there are the more annoyed the vocal drivers will be as their priority is eroded. It was never going to be welcomed. As cycling increases more and more expect the minority who are fuming at this to become louder and louder as their space becomes less and less. Think of then as loud mouth racists, to be ignored.

I always wonder what they hate the most about cyclists. Is it the pollution? The noise? No, I think it's the freedom they want to tax. No enjoyment without payment.

 

[Lozz360]

Around there somewhere, I brought my MZ about 1976 and I'm sure it came without a front number plate.

I bought my first motorbike in 1976. A brand new Suzuki GT185. No front number plate.

 

[markemark]

I always wonder what they hate the most about cyclists. Is it the pollution? The noise? No, I think it's the freedom they want to tax. No enjoyment without payment.

Some see it as a zero sum game….whatever a cyclist gains, a motorists loses.