Reminder: most common cycle injury collisions

[glenn forger]

The Mayor of London’s recently published Cycle Safety Action Plan reveals some interesting statistics about cyclists and London’s roads. The report data (from 2007) shows that 79% of all cycling casualties occurred at or within 20 metres of a junction in London. It also shows that the second largest source of cycle casualties, after close proximity impacts with other vehicles, comes from other vehicles disobeying junction controls. That is to say 17% of all cyclists killed or seriously injured were hit or forced off the road by other vehicles jumping the lights or ignoring a give way line. By comparison, just 5% of cyclist’s KSI were caused by the cyclists doing the same.

 

[Brandane]

No. It's funny how almost all your posts imply cyclists are the agents of their own injuries.

In the same way that your posts always seem to infer that cyclists can do no wrong. There is a lot of nobbery going on - cyclists and drivers alike.

 

[steveindenmark]

No. It's funny how almost all your posts imply cyclists are the agents of their own injuries.

A cyclist is more likely to be hurt by a motor vehicle driver jumping a red than by jumping a red themselves. Risky or illegal behaviour by cyclists is simply not a significant causal factor in KSI RTCs.

Not at all. But it is also funny how some people on cycling sites dont realise that it is our responsibility to look after ourselves. It
quite often appears that motorists are guilty of everything and the cyclistd nothing. Didnt you tell us the other day that motor vehicles are responsible for every cyclist fatality?
We all share the roads and I just try to balance the books.

 

[Brandane]

And most/all of those were probably not reported to anyone. Those sort of accidents generally don't make statistics.

Correct. Which means that statistics regarding cycling injuries are always going to be seriously flawed, @glenn forger , as there is no requirement to report cycling injuries unless a vehicle was involved.

 

[glenn forger]

Not at all. But it is also funny how some people on cycling sites dont realise that it is our responsibility to look after ourselves. It
quite often appears that motorists are guilty of everything and the cyclistd nothing. Didnt you tell us the other day that motor vehicles are responsible for every cyclist fatality?
We all share the roads and I just try to balance the books.

What people? And, no i didn't and I'll thank you for not misquoting me, I didn't allocate responsibility, i said nobody died from simply cycling. Don't you dare misquote me.

 

[glenn forger]

Correct. Which means that statistics regarding cycling injuries are always going to be seriously flawed, @glenn forger , as there is no requirement to report cycling injuries unless a vehicle was involved.

In assessing blame in RTC collisions that involve cyclists I'd be interested to hear your reasoning behind including injuries where there was no collision with a motor vehicle.

 

[steveindenmark]

What people? And, no i didn't and I'll thank you for not misquoting me, I didn't allocate responsibility, i said nobody died from simply cycling. Don't you dare misquote me.

Dont you dare misquote me?

Are you kidding me or what?

You really have me worried now.

What you actually said was.

"There were no road deaths from cycling last year. Most fatalities were caused by riders being hit by motor vehicles, not by cycling. "

 

[Phil Fouracre]

Come on! I like a good fight!

 

[glenn forger]

Dont you dare misquote me?

Are you kidding me or what?

You really have me worried now.

What you actually said was.

"There were no road deaths from cycling last year. Most fatalities were caused by riders being hit by motor vehicles, not by cycling. "

I know what I wrote. What I didn't write is what you claimed, that all fatalities are drivers' fault. See the word "most" there?

 

[jefmcg]

In assessing blame in RTC collisions that involve cyclists I'd be interested to hear your reasoning behind including injuries where there was no collision with a motor vehicle.

I've been in 3 collisions that I can recall in my cycling career, one was with a car, the other two involved another bicycle. Guess which one the police attended, and is in the statistics.

No serious injuries, but the one that kept me off the cycle was a head on with another cyclist.

 

[steveindenmark]

Jef..dont bother arguing. Glen Forger is the great cut and paste man. No ideas of his own but is happy to cut and paste everyone elses ideas, even if those ideas contradict each other. I am sure he will find something to cut and paste about this but he is another one who has just reached my rubbish bin.

 

[Brandane]

Jef..dont bother arguing. Glen Forger is the great cut and paste man. No ideas of his own but is happy to cut and paste everyone elses ideas, even if those ideas contradict each other. I am sure he will find something to cut and paste about this but he is another one who has just reached my rubbish bin.

........... who has previous for not understanding the concept of quotations. I thought you had asked him a question re a previous claim; I didn't see any sign of the quote which rattled his cage!

 

[mjr]

Found it, it's fatals:

The most common vehicle involved in collisions with cyclists is a car or taxi, with the rider usually being hit by the front of the vehicle. In a quarter of fatal cyclist accidents, the front of the vehicle hit the rear of the bicycle. […]
http://www.rospa.com/roadsafety/adviceandinformation/cycling/facts-figures.aspx

I suspect that's not the same thing and it actually means only that "rear" was put on the STATS19 report for location of collision on vehicle. It covers a lot of things and not only collisions FROM the rear. For example, IIRC it includes where a car pulling out clips the back of the bike.

Getting rear- ended is more common in rural areas but far more cycle collisions occur in urban areas so I doubt it'll make it onto the top five.

Small note of caution on that ROSPA page: contains TRL report, do not trust.

 

[glenn forger]

Per mile traveled would be a reliable indicator, simply because more cycling miles are covered on urban roads:

• Around 75% of fatal or serious cyclist accidents occur in urban areas
• Around half of cyclist fatalities occur on rural roads

 

[mjr]

Not at all. But it is also funny how some people on cycling sites dont realise that it is our responsibility to look after ourselves. It
quite often appears that motorists are guilty of everything and the cyclistd nothing. Didnt you tell us the other day that motor vehicles are responsible for every cyclist fatality?
We all share the roads and I just try to balance the books.

The books seem to be imbalanced, with motorists disproportionately responsible for cyclists killed, blamed for 80% of collisions involving cyclists aged over 25. How much safer do cyclists need to be before the far bigger source of danger can be addressed?

Of that top five list, there's only getting doored that is easy to avoid and even that isn't the rider's fault. Please tell me, how can a rider avoid getting sideswiped, left hooked or T boned? Slam in the brakes every time a motor overtakes and give way to everything turning across even if the cycle have priority? Shouldn't we be encouraging cycling instead of making it slower and more difficult?