Red Light Jumping

[apollo179]

OK. Do we have the capacity for everyone to avail themselves of the same advantage?

In appropriate circumstances yes we do.
Sometimes the common good is not served by these lights and they should be turned of.

 

[twobiker]

Rlj is not done by a seasoned professional who has made, assesments of traffic flow,pedestrian activity and Police proximity,but is someone who is basing his possibly life changing choice on whether all the other people on the road will obey the law, suppose they are all of the same view , and decide its safe to rlj.

 

[Raa]

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Can I ignore them in my car if it gets me there quicker?
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Yawn.....does the difference in kinetic energy between 1500kgs of car and a bloke on a bicycle really need to be pointed out?

 

[Raa]

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But we only do it when it's safe to, so it doesn't matter how big the vehicle is.

Or are you saying that by RLJing you increase the risk to other road users?
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You could ask yourself why motor vehicles require licence/mot/insurance etc etc, whereas the humble bicycle does not.

Could it be its infinity smaller potential for causing third party damage?

 

[lukesdad]

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...and you can't build any assumption onto that because it's not representative.
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Wrong.

Its representative of those who voted. What would you call representative 0 %.

Just because its not the result you would hope for on a CC poll don t rubbish it.

 

[Raa]

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But by your comment you're suggesting that when you RLJ you're increasing the risk to other road users. If it's completely safe then there's no chance of you causing any damage to anyone, so the size of the vehicle is irrelevant.
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Well hardly, I don't think being sat on your butt behind a steering wheel, surrounded by safety glass and blind spots caused by door pillars, is a good place to assess the wisdom of blowing a red light. I just don't think the comparison you are making is valid.

 

[Raa]

There is a common tendency to get the words ever so slightly wrong.

It will probably go on for infinity

 

[Raa]

It's just about the shear **** offness of it all with you isn't it?

Unfair, its not JUST about that.....

 

[apollo179]

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Can I ignore them in my car if it gets me there quicker?
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No . You cant ignore them wether you are on a bike or a car.

How does the jedward behaviour justify you saying that me and raa are the same person ?
Why do you interpret 2 people holding a diferent view from you as they must be the same person?
Please answer.

 

[apollo179]

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If you read around the statistic it was put forward as representing the view of forum members, when it isn't. Of course it's representative of the group that voted, but with no further information available (who voted) it can't be taken to represent any group because we don't know who they are.
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You do come across as being rather blinkered and narrow minded unwilling to even consider any opinion other than your own regardless of the rights and wrongs involved.
You seem resolved to read around any other opinion whatever its merits.

 

[PK99]

Yawn.....does the difference in kinetic energy between 1500kgs of car and a bloke on a bicycle really need to be pointed out?

An utterly spurious point:

Try tgis question : if a car stops and looks, as many RLSers do, is it then ok for the driver to continue through a red light if he considers it safe, as some argue it is for cyclists?

 

[apollo179]

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Why can't you ignore them?
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"its against the law therefore its wrong"
I dont see what you are trying to get at here.

 

[apollo179]

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Do you think that the benefits of your RLJing behaviour outweigh(ed) the risks, legality and other reasons not to?

It's ok, you can say yes if that's what you think.
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How does the jedward behaviour justify you saying that me and raa are the same person ?
Why do you interpret 2 people holding a diferent view from you as they must be the same person?
Please answer.

 

[PK99]

You could ask yourself why motor vehicles require licence/mot/insurance etc etc, whereas the humble bicycle does not.

Could it be its infinity smaller potential for causing third party damage?

Infinitly?

a guy i know got a £40,000 payout from the insurance of a fellow cyclist on a group run who caused an accident that resulted in badly broken hip.

Your pointless hyperbole simply devalues you point.

 

[twobiker]

Rljers will never accept that what they do is wrong, because they are too narrow minded to accept the consequences for their actions, until the day they get hit by another vehicle, then they will cry bitterly about the other driver not obeying the lights.